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Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424596#msg424596
« on: November 13, 2011, 03:22:30 am »
I've been using this deck for a while now and I wanted to post it so here it is:

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When I say ambush strategy, I mean that you lower your opponent's heath with 1 or 2 creatures then play everything else in your hand to avoid shields,scarabs,otyugh,miracle(one ai3 has it), and CC.
It also helps to know the ai3 you are against so you can play everything the right way.

Against mono aether:Save your deflags for lobos,mingate, and dimensional shields. No pc but be aware of lightnings. Draw them out with phoenixes. Play fire shield to kill of most of it's creatures quickly and can be fire bolted to death. Usually starts with one or two pillars so take advantadge. Ambush strategy:Optional

Against time-light:Get out fire shield ASAP and fire bolt scorpions on sight. Destroy sundial and procastination. Rush this one and Ambush:NO!!!

Against entropy-life: kill fallen elves and maxwell demon. Fire shield helps a lot due to many low health creatures.Destroy empathic bonds. BE AWARE OF DISCORD AND BUTTERFLY EFFECT!!Ambush: Yes if it has early fallen elf or demon and no fire bolt.

Against air-light:Deflag owls eye and and kill any endowed crusader. BE AWARE OF MIRACLE!!Can be hard if starts out with plenty of pillars. Don't deflag wings.Ambush:Optional if it does'nt rush you.

Against entropy-death: Draw out plagues with phoenixes. KILL THE CATS! Destroy soul catchers and an Arsenic and try ot to kill too much stuff. Be aware of a pandemonium and maxwells demon. Ambush: No because of bonewall.

Against entropy-dark: Rush this guy as soon as possible and do not play rain of fire and fire shield. Destroy dusk mantle and vampire dagger or the nightfall. Phoenixes are extremly useful against 6 PANDEMONIUMS. Don't play fahrenheit unless he doesn't have butterfly effect or already used a steal. Ambush:No

Air-life-light: Rush this ASAP because of the hope shield and owls eye. Deflag owl's eye and kill fire flies with fire shield and Rain of Fire. Oh and draw out the 3 shockwaves with your phoenixes. Ambush: NO NO NO NO!!!!!

Earth-gravity: You an rush him for EM because this guy rarely gets out a creature. Kill auburn nymph and deflag pulverizer. Be aware of an otyugh.plus one of the worst decks.

Mono gravity with sparks:"One of the weakest decks" Well just rush this guy and kill any thing dangerous(otyugh etc.).
Better rush than stall.

Fire-water: Kill steam machines before they get out of hand. Kill red nymph if it pops up and deflag fahrenheit and ice shield. Sometimes starts off with 1 fire pillar so deflag it. Watch out for rain of fire so rush him.

Fire-darkness:Try to hold out long enough until this ai uses rage on a voodoo doll. If you don't, your phoenixes and the ash might be killed of and be careful of 3 steals and 3 deflags.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424597#msg424597
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 03:42:54 am »
Oh you finally are turning in the right direction of decks.
Such as updating regularly. Hmm. Why Minor phoenixes then?

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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424598#msg424598
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 03:43:00 am »
You really don't need to hold back creatures for an OTK unless you know your opponent has a lot of CC. While this looks like an alright deck, I'm pretty sure there are plenty other decks more efficient at farming AI3.

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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424602#msg424602
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 03:58:50 am »
Oh you finally are turning in the right direction of decks.
Such as updating regularly. Hmm. Why Minor phoenixes then?
Early cheap damage and easier to suumon because of the cost.
And ninetyfools and furballdn,both of you are always the first two people to reply to my decks.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424604#msg424604
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 04:04:28 am »
You really don't need to hold back creatures for an OTK unless you know your opponent has a lot of CC. While this looks like an alright deck, I'm pretty sure there are plenty other decks more efficient at farming AI3.
But this deck can do 4 things: Stall,spell damage,not affected by sundial, and phsical damage.
It lacks the cons of fire stall(reflecting shield),mono fire with dragons (maxwells and fallen elf), and it's also anti pc and cc because of fahrenhiet and creatures.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424607#msg424607
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 04:12:01 am »
Deck looks good. Though fire stall can easily overcome the reflective weakness by adding two certain cards.
6 sources of damage doesn't sit well with me though, the game has a habit of screwing me when it sees a chance, but looks good otherwise.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424619#msg424619
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 05:00:48 am »
Deck looks good. Though fire stall can easily overcome the reflective weakness by adding two certain cards.
6 sources of damage doesn't sit well with me though, the game has a habit of screwing me when it sees a chance, but looks good otherwise.
Well usually you kill your opponent within 7-9 turns so 6 damage sources are okay for me.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424621#msg424621
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 05:05:40 am »
Deck looks good. Though fire stall can easily overcome the reflective weakness by adding two certain cards.
6 sources of damage doesn't sit well with me though, the game has a habit of screwing me when it sees a chance, but looks good otherwise.
Well usually you kill your opponent within 7-9 turns so 6 damage sources are okay for me.
Yes, i wasn't calling the deck slow at all, else i be calling ghostmare and other similar 6 creature decks slow, i was just pointing out that it could be bad if the RNG is being particularly hateful.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424757#msg424757
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 01:29:04 pm »
Oh you finally are turning in the right direction of decks.
Such as updating regularly. Hmm. Why Minor phoenixes then?
Early cheap damage and easier to suumon because of the cost.
And ninetyfools and furballdn,both of you are always the first two people to reply to my decks.
Cuz I love you!
Anyways, This may be better in arena because there are faster rushes and this seems to be more uhh. Arenaish deck.

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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg424793#msg424793
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 04:41:47 pm »
Oh you finally are turning in the right direction of decks.
Such as updating regularly. Hmm. Why Minor phoenixes then?
Early cheap damage and easier to suumon because of the cost.
And ninetyfools and furballdn,both of you are always the first two people to reply to my decks.
Cuz I love you!
Anyways, This may be better in arena because there are faster rushes and this seems to be more uhh. Arenaish deck.
Well I'll test this in the arena at bronze today. Maybe even silver if it had more upgrades.
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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg425058#msg425058
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 01:27:52 am »
Upon chat request, I am replying to this deck thread!

I like where this deck is going, but it's a little too "scattered" for my liking. I never played Magic really, so I never got used to having a lot of different cards. As a result, I tend to focus my decks a lot more than relying on draws. Personally, I feel your deck is an "everything" deck that has the ability to defeat most anything, provided it draws the right cards at the right time. I prefer to focus on specif strategies and increase the chances of performing that strategy. A deck somewhat similar to this is what I like to call "Stall Faster"
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It's a Mono Fire deck that combines two basic tactics: Mass Quanta for a One Turn Kill (OTK) and Rush with durable creatures and Creature Control (CC) as backup. With the recent nerfs to Fire, you can't do quite the same as you used to, but it still functions the same. Against a stall deck, you stockpile cards and used Fahrenheit to peck away at your opponent until you can drop EVERYTHING and finish them off with the OTK. Bolts bypass almost all shields, which is great, but you have to get some damage down for this win condition to work. Alternatively, you can use the mass of Quanta to push out Phoenixes early, which are still hard to kill, and use CC to stay ahead in the damage race. Fahren is just icing in this case.

As I said, these are similar ideas, mine is just super focused and yours has a nice variety. Nothing wrong with going either way I suppose, just preference.

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Re: Flames and Dragons (Ai3) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33663.msg425060#msg425060
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 01:38:36 am »
Thanks for posting the deck Napalm, and could you post the link to it? I haven't tested out my deck yet for Arena yet, like I said earlier though.
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