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Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518140#msg518140
« on: July 05, 2012, 04:04:33 pm »
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Let's take a look at the old Elidnis deck.
It's big. BIG. BIG.
It also has no unique card, a card that makes his deck different from the ones of every other False God. It's also dedicated to faildrawing.

Forest Spirits are probably what sets this FG apart from most other FGs. (Expect Rainbow).
Feral Bonds are shared with Fire Queen and Ferox. Also, there is no real reason to put bonds on a god with so little chances of playing more than 5 creatures before it's ready to get its own ass handed back. The various life cards are too little to actually make a difference in such a big deck
(If you're playing Rol/Hope it will have at least a Jade Shield in the opening hand anyway, deal w/ it.

All the Water Cards are already used in Scorpio's and Neptune's deck. The one that gets the "nicest" usage is Ulitharid, which is possibly more a trademark of Elidnis than Forest Spirit.

The Aether cards are just weird. Quintessence on a big spirit may be useful, but PU will usually come after the Quint, so the chances of PU being really useful are low. Phase Dragons have no reasons to be there.

Taking advantage of Pendulums, and some cards that were introduced after Elidnis was, I rebuilt his deck.


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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518182#msg518182
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 10:33:04 pm »
I like it, but this one is so... deckoutable

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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518183#msg518183
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Maybe add a couple of lobos?
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518303#msg518303
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 05:08:35 am »
>10 cards capable of lobotomy
Hey, let's add 4 more!  ;D

I don't think any weapon really fits this deck. No to Trident (why is it even in scorpio and neptune's decks? Neptune even has two weapons), no to Jade Staff (not a very good card for gods anyway), no to lobo.

Hey.
How about fractal.

Or maybe that might detract from the more life-y theme.
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518305#msg518305
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 05:15:28 am »
>10 cards capable of lobotomy
Hey, let's add 4 more!  ;D

I don't think any weapon really fits this deck. No to Trident (why is it even in scorpio and neptune's decks? Neptune even has two weapons), no to Jade Staff (not a very good card for gods anyway), no to lobo.

Hey.
How about fractal.

Or maybe that might detract from the more life-y theme.

Fractal would be good too. I was just trying to think of a card that would fit with the deck's theme.
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518312#msg518312
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 05:37:26 am »
As I see it, Elidnis's theme is quinting and PUing forst spectres. I don't see that theme in your remake.
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518354#msg518354
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Maybe add a couple of lobos?
5/10 Ulitharids are not enough (with Mitosis)?

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How about fractal.
Elidnis (at least the old one) clogged his hand a lot, making Fractal borderline useless. We now also have Mitosis.

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That theme generally doesn't work well. Why? Old Elidnis produces Life quanta off mark, and thus plays ALL his 30 (out of 112) life cards, with an average cost of 3,4 :life quanta per card producing 3 quanta per turn. Not to mention, she usually quints the first spirit he plays, which is also the one who grows the most, making PU less... useful.
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518355#msg518355
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wow, now that i've a glance at the actual deck.  :)
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518365#msg518365
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@RR, you a bit unsure about Elidnis's gender mate? :P
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518366#msg518366
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@RR, you a bit unsure about Elidnis's gender mate? :P

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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518508#msg518508
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2012, 05:53:48 pm »
I'm sure I had replied to this topic earlier, as had Tiko. Anyway, She may not be as unique as some others in terms of individual cards, but she unique in the grouping, which I see no problem with. With your new revision, it still has some uniqueness, but it's diminished. I think Elidness should stay as is.
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Re: Remaking False Gods: Elidnis. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41760.msg518525#msg518525
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2012, 07:05:38 pm »
Going to summarize what Tiko wrote before the server change. He didn't want to type it up for the third time.

- Epis and Puffers would be great for damage.
- Nymph Tears would allow to raise the damage to extremes (green and turquoise nymphs are awesome).
- He feels the spectres were the main focus of Elidnis' deck (and not flayers), so you need to have more in place of mitosis.
- Ulitharids, while awesome, can hardly kill anyone.
- PUs would be better than Quints. If you have NT in the deck, you have quint covered for the most part anyway.
- Patience does not fit well.

That's what I recall. I also agree with Tiko, Elidnis is more about PU/Quinted Spectres and Puffers than Ulitharids

 

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