Post by: russianspy1234 on October 28, 2011, 03:46:13 pm
???s are all shard of serendipity
Post by: omegareaper7 on October 29, 2011, 04:59:42 pm
Just for fun, probably far too easy.Gods can't have more then 6 copies of a card either, paradox being the exception.
???s are all shard of serendipity
Post by: russianspy1234 on October 29, 2011, 05:05:13 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 30, 2011, 03:28:32 am
if there is one exception, why cant there be another one?You should search for "exception" in the dictionary. Even Paradox shouldnt be an exception.
Also, FGs can't have shards..
Thinking about it a but more:
1 shard = 3 cards
2 shards = 6 cards
3 chards = full hand 100% of the time.
Why would you put more than 6 in a deck? I would put 6 and some PAs. Also, this deck needs a shield.
Post by: furballdn on October 30, 2011, 03:55:58 am
Post by: Calindu on October 30, 2011, 12:44:35 pm
Post by: russianspy1234 on October 30, 2011, 03:51:06 pm
ex·cep·tion/ikˈsepSHən/if there is one exception, why cant there be another one?You should search for "exception" in the dictionary. Even Paradox shouldnt be an exception.
Also, FGs can't have shards..
Thinking about it a but more:
1 shard = 3 cards
2 shards = 6 cards
3 chards = full hand 100% of the time.
Why would you put more than 6 in a deck? I would put 6 and some PAs. Also, this deck needs a shield.
Noun:
A person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule.
dont see anything about there being a limit of one.
shard of serendipity is a spell.
and shard of serendipity is bound to get him a shield eventually.
yes his hand will still be clogged a lot of the time
Why 50 cards is my question.why not?
Post by: Brontos on October 30, 2011, 04:31:22 pm
Post by: russianspy1234 on October 30, 2011, 09:36:55 pm
You don't need 3 druids with that much SoSe. AI will have many druids to play with (the first card is always a :entropy card).thats true. i knew id need druids eventually for all the bad monsters that are bound to come out. what could i replace it with though?
Post by: Brontos on October 31, 2011, 03:25:06 am
You need to empty your hand quickly, because AI won't play SoSe smartly. I saw it playing SoSe after a first turn Quantum Tower.
Whatever, it's all theorical, because such a FG concept can't be because of the rules not respected. ^^
Post by: russianspy1234 on October 31, 2011, 05:19:21 am
Novas or Supernovas.updated. i noticed the not playing the shards smartly, and posted it int he AI improvements thread. seems like that could be a major problem for arena decks.
You need to empty your hand quickly, because AI won't play SoSe smartly. I saw it playing SoSe after a first turn Quantum Tower.
Whatever, it's all theorical, because such a FG concept can't be because of the rules not respected. ^^
where are these FG rules that everyone seems to know? the only rule i saw was in the sticky saying they arent actually looking for new FGs right now, so does it even matter? you can still import it into the trainer and have fun playing against it.
Post by: Chapuz on October 31, 2011, 02:57:33 pm
Post by: russianspy1234 on October 31, 2011, 03:15:36 pm
Again: FGs should NOT have shards.Again: Where are the rules for submitting FGs to this board that you know that I seem to be unaware of?
the Beat my False God thread has this listed under legal:
Post by: Giantfrog on November 01, 2011, 08:09:21 am
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 01, 2011, 02:38:58 pm
Post by: omegareaper7 on November 01, 2011, 07:57:43 pm
if there is one exception, why cant there be another one?Because 20 copys of a card is far to many regardless, paradox only has 8.
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 01, 2011, 10:23:40 pm
Post by: xsindomanx on November 02, 2011, 12:19:58 am
1) Fake Gods decks don't have shards!
Although it is true that the current FGs do not have any shards, there aren't any set rules that say that they are not permitted.
There are obviously two reasons for the lack of shards in AI5.
-Crazy Powerful FGs: Think about FGs that could (before shard update)
-SoG: Heal 60 in one turn
-SoD: Have 440 health + miracle
-SoR: Use creature abilities like destroy or rewind (flying weapons) easily.
-The 'rares' will not be really rare anymore!
-Currently, the rares are kind of catagorized into these sections:
-1: Marks (only through tourneys)
-2: Nymphs (only through tourney, donation, or spin)
-3: Shards (only through tourney, donation, or arena)
-4: Weapons / certain creatures (all kinds of sources)
-Now, consider that the FGs also carry shards. Before the arena update, it would destroy any reasons to donate, or grind t50 instead of FG. The shards would really not become a rare, just as many weapons and 'rare' creatures are due to the arena decks and the special spins having them.
However, now there will be specific shards for every element, so the problem of FG becoming stronger with players can be rid of by having. This could result in a problem of beginners having a harder time tackling FGs, but the FGs are supposed to be god like and hard to defeat. Think of a level 10 warrior (MMORPG like WoE, etc.) having a small chance to defeat the most powerful creature in the game!
2) (Most) Fake Gods decks follow the common rules for deckbuilding! (6 of each cards except towers)
Similar to point 1, there are no set rules that say that false gods (who are supposed to be more powerful than us mortals) have to follow the common rule! Additionally, there is already one FG that breaks this 'rule', but despite this, somebody argued that it only goes over the limit by 2 cards, while this FG goes over the limit by an overwhelming 12 cards. However, since there is already an exception, where can you draw the line for what is acceptable and what is not? Common sense says that 8 is okay and 16 is not, but when you think of all the numbers in between those two, can you give the number which can draw the line and give a reasonable explanation for your choice? That would be pretty hard.
Additionally, if this deck had more than 12 discords / BH / earthquake, which would under any circumstance destroy you instantly, that would be an unacceptable deck, as it would have under 10% winning chance even with a custom deck. However, this is a simple deck that relies on SoSe and fate eggs for everything except quarta generation. Although I, out of my common sense, also believe that 18 Sose (36 considering the 2x) is simply overwhelming, I also believe that it could be acceptable as out of the common rule.
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Just as a final point, this was meant to be a fun deck (though I considered it to be a serious deck in my argument), so treat it like that :)
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 02, 2011, 03:36:48 pm
Post by: Evan20000 on November 02, 2011, 03:38:13 pm
Just throwing that out there....
Post by: xsindomanx on November 02, 2011, 04:44:07 pm
theres also no reason shards cant downgrade to relics in FG spins the way nymphs do.That's a decent argument, since this FG has a very high chance of giving 3 SoSe to anybody that beats it. However, nymphs, while not always being the most efficient card due to their high costs and high ability costs, are quite a pride for players who are either long-term members or great PvP players. Thus, they are only shown as relics when you win against a deck with nymphs. On the other hand, shards can be quite easily obtained by donation, arena, or even farming off someone. Therefore, there is no reason to make shards changed to relics or equivalent for only FGs.
Wasn't it possible to win Shard of Divinity from Morte at one point?Really? I've never heard of that before (not saying that you are incorrect, just that I learnt something new :)
Just throwing that out there....
However, the fact that Morte does not have SoD in its deck any longer seems to destroy whatever point you had.
Post by: Evan20000 on November 02, 2011, 05:18:03 pm
My source: http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Mortetheres also no reason shards cant downgrade to relics in FG spins the way nymphs do.That's a decent argument, since this FG has a very high chance of giving 3 SoSe to anybody that beats it. However, nymphs, while not always being the most efficient card due to their high costs and high ability costs, are quite a pride for players who are either long-term members or great PvP players. Thus, they are only shown as relics when you win against a deck with nymphs. On the other hand, shards can be quite easily obtained by donation, arena, or even farming off someone. Therefore, there is no reason to make shards changed to relics or equivalent for only FGs.Wasn't it possible to win Shard of Divinity from Morte at one point?Really? I've never heard of that before (not saying that you are incorrect, just that I learnt something new :)
Just throwing that out there....
However, the fact that Morte does not have SoD in its deck any longer seems to destroy whatever point you had.
Old, but I vaguely remember seeing one in a spin once.
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 02, 2011, 06:27:05 pm
Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 03, 2011, 09:39:36 pm
There was a 1% chance for a SoD to show up in a spin. Or something.how is paradox not an exception if his deck does not follow the rule of 6 copies of a card?
Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
so basically there is currently an FG in game that has more than 6 copies, and there previously was one that gave a shard. my FG is in line with what has appeared in the game, but again this isnt relevant as i am not advocating its addition to the game, simply posting something fun for people to play against.
Post by: Calindu on November 05, 2011, 11:58:58 am
2.You could win shards from FG's, but no FG's used shards.
Post by: furballdn on November 06, 2011, 04:04:32 am
Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.I heard it was because Paradox's deck was made before Zanz decided to have the rule of 12 card limits applied to FGs.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: cat1234333 on November 07, 2011, 09:50:16 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 08, 2011, 04:04:03 am
I though ferox had more than 6 feral bonds?? (lost to him because he had 8 against me)
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Post by: RavingRabbid on November 09, 2011, 01:49:16 pm
Paradox was named Paradox exactly because he broke the 6x card rule.Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.I heard it was because Paradox's deck was made before Zanz decided to have the rule of 12 card limits applied to FGs.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 09, 2011, 03:41:56 pm
souce? paradox means "a self contradictory statement" FGs are explicitly not bound by the same rules we are, therefore there is nothing paradoxical about an FG that breaks a rule. heck, before the arena was added and we knew that dexterity double your draw AND each card in your deck and before trainer had an import FG option, it was easy to presume that almost all of the FGs broke the 6 card per deck rule.Paradox was named Paradox exactly because he broke the 6x card rule.Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.I heard it was because Paradox's deck was made before Zanz decided to have the rule of 12 card limits applied to FGs.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: furballdn on November 16, 2011, 05:00:26 am
I thought it was widely known that the decks of each false god on the wiki actually represented half of their actual deck.souce? paradox means "a self contradictory statement" FGs are explicitly not bound by the same rules we are, therefore there is nothing paradoxical about an FG that breaks a rule. heck, before the arena was added and we knew that dexterity double your draw AND each card in your deck and before trainer had an import FG option, it was easy to presume that almost all of the FGs broke the 6 card per deck rule.Paradox was named Paradox exactly because he broke the 6x card rule.Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.I heard it was because Paradox's deck was made before Zanz decided to have the rule of 12 card limits applied to FGs.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 16, 2011, 06:46:26 am
it was, but most FGs have decks too big to fit into the regular deck image screen, so one could just assume that that was the reason for only showing half.I thought it was widely known that the decks of each false god on the wiki actually represented half of their actual deck.souce? paradox means "a self contradictory statement" FGs are explicitly not bound by the same rules we are, therefore there is nothing paradoxical about an FG that breaks a rule. heck, before the arena was added and we knew that dexterity double your draw AND each card in your deck and before trainer had an import FG option, it was easy to presume that almost all of the FGs broke the 6 card per deck rule.Paradox was named Paradox exactly because he broke the 6x card rule.Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.I heard it was because Paradox's deck was made before Zanz decided to have the rule of 12 card limits applied to FGs.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
Post by: mildlyfrightenedboy on November 27, 2011, 12:01:38 am
The AI doesn't know when to use SoS's. It blew through five of them in a row on the first turn.
Post by: russianspy1234 on November 27, 2011, 12:18:03 am
Sorry, but this deck is a miserable failure. Play against it in the trainer.yeah it wasted them a bit when i tested, but overall it was still able to play enough cards to be fun. i brough up the issue in the AI improvements thread so hopefully it will get fixed at some point for people who want to use them in their arena decks.
The AI doesn't know when to use SoS's. It blew through five of them in a row on the first turn.