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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg418572#msg418572
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 03:15:36 pm »
Again: FGs should NOT have shards.
Again: Where are the rules for submitting FGs to this board that you know that I seem to be unaware of?

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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg418917#msg418917
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 08:09:21 am »
Because its common sense that if one FG is giving shards to players then it would be misleading to newer members who don't know you cant farm all but one kind of shard from FG's. Keeping it to arena honestly is a better idea. Its that or your now including shards into multiple FG's decks. That is why they are not included into FG's. We have 30 as of now if I am not mistaken. One gets shards... so now we are going to give at least 11 more shard types to some FG's just to make it equal in the FG department or coming out with 11 more FG's that have a shard in their deck just to make it a somewhat an equal chance to get any kind of shard. Not making it so you get just 1 kind from farming FG's Just my opinion though.

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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg418983#msg418983
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 02:38:58 pm »
this would be relevant if i was submitting this to actually be in the game, which im not, because it explicitly says in the sticky for this forum that they are not looking for more FGs.  i am just posting something for people to import into the trainer and have fun with.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419084#msg419084
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 07:57:43 pm »
if there is one exception, why cant there be another one?
Because 20 copys of a card is far to many regardless, paradox only has 8.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419142#msg419142
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 10:23:40 pm »
so again, where are the rules for posting FGs that i seem to be unaware of?  because all i have to go off of is the in game description of how normal rules of elements dont apply to them, and the Beat my FG thread, which allows both shards and decks that have more than 6 copies of a card, like the 60 silence deck.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419175#msg419175
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2011, 12:19:58 am »
What russianspy is saying is quite true. There are no set rules for FG proposals, and since he's been arguing for his deck all this time, I'll try to explore the two points.

1) Fake Gods decks don't have shards!

Although it is true that the current FGs do not have any shards, there aren't any set rules that say that they are not permitted.
There are obviously two reasons for the lack of shards in AI5.
  -Crazy Powerful FGs: Think about FGs that could (before shard update)
     -SoG: Heal 60 in one turn
     -SoD: Have 440 health + miracle
     -SoR: Use creature abilities like destroy or rewind (flying weapons) easily.
  -The 'rares' will not be really rare anymore!
     -Currently, the rares are kind of catagorized into these sections:
          -1: Marks (only through tourneys)
          -2: Nymphs (only through tourney, donation, or spin)
          -3: Shards (only through tourney, donation, or arena)
          -4: Weapons / certain creatures (all kinds of sources)
     -Now, consider that the FGs also carry shards. Before the arena update, it would destroy any reasons to donate, or grind t50 instead of FG. The shards would really not become a rare, just as many weapons and 'rare' creatures are due to the arena decks and the special spins having them.

However, now there will be specific shards for every element, so the problem of FG becoming stronger with players can be rid of by having. This could result in a problem of beginners having a harder time tackling FGs, but the FGs are supposed to be god like and hard to defeat. Think of a level 10 warrior (MMORPG like WoE, etc.) having a small chance to defeat the most powerful creature in the game!

2) (Most) Fake Gods decks follow the common rules for deckbuilding! (6 of each cards except towers)

Similar to point 1, there are no set rules that say that false gods (who are supposed to be more powerful  than us mortals) have to follow the common rule! Additionally, there is already one FG that breaks this 'rule', but despite this, somebody argued that it only goes over the limit by 2 cards, while this FG goes over the limit by an overwhelming 12 cards. However, since there is already an exception, where can you draw the line for what is acceptable and what is not? Common sense says that 8 is okay and 16 is not, but when you think of all the numbers in between those two, can you give the number which can draw the line and give a reasonable explanation for your choice? That would be pretty hard.

Additionally, if this deck had more than 12 discords / BH / earthquake, which would under any circumstance destroy you instantly, that would be an unacceptable deck, as it would have under 10% winning chance even with a custom deck. However, this is a simple deck that relies on SoSe and fate eggs for everything except quarta generation. Although I, out of my common sense, also believe that 18 Sose (36 considering the 2x) is simply overwhelming, I also believe that it could be acceptable as out of the common rule.

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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419454#msg419454
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 03:36:48 pm »
theres also no reason shards cant downgrade to relics in FG spins the way nymphs do.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419455#msg419455
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 03:38:13 pm »
Wasn't it possible to win Shard of Divinity from Morte at one point?

Just throwing that out there....

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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419478#msg419478
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 04:44:07 pm »
theres also no reason shards cant downgrade to relics in FG spins the way nymphs do.
That's a decent argument, since this FG has a very high chance of giving 3 SoSe to anybody that beats it. However, nymphs, while not always being the most efficient card due to their high costs and high ability costs, are quite a pride for players who are either long-term members or great PvP players. Thus, they are only shown as relics when you win against a deck with nymphs. On the other hand, shards can be quite easily obtained by donation, arena, or even farming off someone. Therefore, there is no reason to make shards changed to relics or equivalent for only FGs.

Wasn't it possible to win Shard of Divinity from Morte at one point?
Just throwing that out there....
Really? I've never heard of that before (not saying that you are incorrect, just that I learnt something new :)
However, the fact that Morte does not have SoD in its deck any longer seems to destroy whatever point you had.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419486#msg419486
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 05:18:03 pm »
theres also no reason shards cant downgrade to relics in FG spins the way nymphs do.
That's a decent argument, since this FG has a very high chance of giving 3 SoSe to anybody that beats it. However, nymphs, while not always being the most efficient card due to their high costs and high ability costs, are quite a pride for players who are either long-term members or great PvP players. Thus, they are only shown as relics when you win against a deck with nymphs. On the other hand, shards can be quite easily obtained by donation, arena, or even farming off someone. Therefore, there is no reason to make shards changed to relics or equivalent for only FGs.

Wasn't it possible to win Shard of Divinity from Morte at one point?
Just throwing that out there....
Really? I've never heard of that before (not saying that you are incorrect, just that I learnt something new :)
However, the fact that Morte does not have SoD in its deck any longer seems to destroy whatever point you had.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg419507#msg419507
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 06:27:05 pm »
There was a 1% chance for a SoD to show up in a spin. Or something.


Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
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Re: Omnimus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33004.msg420039#msg420039
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 09:39:36 pm »
There was a 1% chance for a SoD to show up in a spin. Or something.


Still, Paradox isn't an exception, Paradox follows the rule closely. It's just that his deck would have been even crappier without the extra copies.
After all, he is named Paradox for this.
how is paradox not an exception if his deck does not follow the rule of 6 copies of a card?

so basically there is currently an FG in game that has more than 6 copies, and there previously was one that gave a shard.  my FG is in line with what has appeared in the game, but again this isnt relevant as i am not advocating its addition to the game, simply posting something fun for people to play against.
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