Odin (aka The Weapon Master)

[Marvaddin]

Presenting: The Weapon Master; aka Fanatic Marshal; aka George W. Bush ; aka, well, help me to find a good name.

As he likes weapons and has an army of Crusaders, I have searched internet for some War gods names:

Greek mythology: Ares
Roman mythology: Marte
Viking mythology: Tyr, and later Odin
(Names are in Portuguese form, someone could help me to search the English form.) In fact, I think Odin could be a good name. Its difficult, its powerful, it uses all elements (I suppose its the 1st FG to do it, Rainbow does not use Death cards). Also, after having Hermes (greek), Neptune (roman) and Osiris (egyptian), we could have a Viking FG

Edit: changed the title to Odin, looks like the name fits it well

Now, to the deck:

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Maaaaaaan, my CCYB didnt had a chance vs him, played about 10 games. Too hard. Even an early Mind Flayer couldnt deal with the weapons. Although a RoL Hope could have a chance, dunno about GotP Time (havent played it yet).

Would like to make it more playable, possibly keeping cards from all elements. Maybe a 1st thing is to remove PC cards, he could have enough with Poseidon (yeah! 1st FG that can use it!), and Pulverizer. The Spine Carapace is also a hateful Shield, although it was not needed to defeat me. What you say?

[Shantu]

If you could fit in some PUs there... 

[Rutarete]

If you could fit in some PUs there... 

Oh boy. I just played this on trainer, and lost horribly. Adding PUs would be 
Although... thinking of PU, maybe mono aether could beat this.

[The_Mormegil]

I had a very similar idea a good while ago... Ares.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855)

[PlayerOa]

Pretty similar, but probably stronger than White Warrior (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19039.msg259135#msg259135)

[Marvaddin]

I had a very similar idea a good while ago... Ares.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855)

Oh, hadnt seen that. Pretty close, in fact (not that close to White Warrior, however). We could help each other to transform the idea in an actually viable FG. Yours, looks like has an excess of weapons. I would start removing the ones that dont have most interesting skills. So, I removed Staff and Dagger (healing), Fahrenheit (not enough Fire quanta to be dangerous) and Glory (impossible to endow).

After testing, there is a clear order it uses to endow. Looks like its Poseidon > Eternity > Pulverizer > Eagle's Eye > ??, but Im not sure about the correct order. Titan looks a bit expensive when he is using Pulverizer skill, so maybe we could remove it. Arsenic is also not that useful. Maybe we could mix it a bit removing some cards and adding more spells. Any suggestions?

[The_Mormegil]

I had a very similar idea a good while ago... Ares.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17424.msg236855#msg236855)

Oh, hadnt seen that. Pretty close, in fact (not that close to White Warrior, however). We could help each other to transform the idea in an actually viable FG. Yours, looks like has an excess of weapons. I would start removing the ones that dont have most interesting skills. So, I removed Staff and Dagger (healing), Fahrenheit (not enough Fire quanta to be dangerous) and Glory (impossible to endow).

After testing, there is a clear order it uses to endow. Looks like its Poseidon > Eternity > Pulverizer > Eagle's Eye > ??, but Im not sure about the correct order. Titan looks a bit expensive when he is using Pulverizer skill, so maybe we could remove it. Arsenic is also not that useful. Maybe we could mix it a bit removing some cards and adding more spells. Any suggestions?

The AI plays the weapons in order of cost. It may play one weapon over another in the same turn, even if it has an Animate, if you're unlucky.

[Marvaddin]

If Im correct, the AI plays according to the order of the cards in its "hand". It consider cost when its a replace.

1st card to check is Arsenic. It checks the weapon slot, if its empty, it will play the card. Next card is Eternity. When checking weapon slot, it will see Arsenic there and replace it (Arsenic has lower cost). If it plays Eternity 1st, and there is an Arsenic in hand, it wont play it.

Also because of this, I think having excess of weapons a waste. Also, I put no Supernovas, so its harder 2 weapons have enough quanta to play same turn. Play it, you will see that replacing weapons is something that happens but is not common.

[Marvaddin]

Ok, back to this...

I have tested a few mods. Played vs this (removed PC and added a few potions to use in creatures, and replaced Arsenic by BW, would be skull shield, but, well, the point is make him a little easier):

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Almost rushed it with VNG. He won when had 3HP. Iwould have win, got a good hand, but Discord troubled me. In fact, this FG usually get a slow start.

Defeated it using CCYB. In fact, Im currently at 3-2 vs this version.

1st victory I didnt got SS because the final blow was from his own 'raged and vampired' Titan I played AM on. I got a good start: Permafrost, 2 Shards and quinted Destroyer on turn 2. Also got lucky, I have played my Pulvy to destroy Spine, but had low HP and destroyed some weapons instead. Then 2 crusaders got Pulvy skill and destroyed my Hourglass and Pulvy. Surely Permafrost would be the next, but both crusader got freeze, lol.

2nd victory is here:

I took advantage that he had little gravity quanta and put Pulvy in play, starting to destroy his towers. Luckily, he already had spent one of his LS in one crusader, so I could put my destroyer in play and pray for no rage potion. Could Fractal crusaders and those helped a lot, like permafrost and AMed crusader.

3rd victory was EM:

Got early Flayer in play, and dunno if he couldnt or didnt want kill it, but I loboed a lot of weapons. Looks like he got bad luck drawing crusaders, too. Well, I took control of the table and wouldnt need the AMs, played them just to get EM.

Looks like its still dangerous, but of course much easier, because most anti FG decks are weak vs PC. I think its playable, maybe easier than it should be. Maybe I could put the Steals back, cause AI really doesnt know how to use LS. Options are: Cloak (but just 2 in the deck probably wouldnt matter), Siphon Life, and the Dagger too.

Any opinions?

[Leo]

Whoa, pretty good idea. But since he's the weapon master, you should pack a Vampire Dagger and a Druid Staff (whatever the Life weapon's name is). Or a HAMMER.

Hammers are awesome.

Just... awesome.  8)

[Marvaddin]

The Mormegil have created a proposal with all non-other weapons, but looks like too many weapons for the AWs. I removed some with less interesting skills.

But the feedback is appreciated, you could play it and see if you think it would need more weapons

[manaboy100]

Whoa, it would be one of the FG that needs time to set things up in the field. A normal rush maybe could beat it.

Looks evil when he has set things up, but Lobotomizing could wreck the whole deck into pieces, rendering the whole endowing to only boost Att/Hp, so a mono- could slowly kill him.

I think he should have some instant PC and few more supportive spells, or maybe a Mindgate?

Name? I would think Odin fit it the most IMO