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Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089368#msg1089368
« on: July 28, 2013, 09:26:02 am »
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Lucifer - lightbringer, morning star, fallen angel.

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089369#msg1089369
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 09:36:19 am »
The hope is useless when all the RoLs are cremated which leaves 2 options: remove the hope, or remove the cremations

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089381#msg1089381
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 11:51:07 am »
The hope is useless when all the RoLs are cremated which leaves 2 options: remove the hope, or remove the cremations

 I suggest removing Hope since we're on a theme anyways. The fallen one's sin is Pride and one of the sin's manifestations is underestimating one's enemies.  For this False God, that should manifest in the total disregard of defense. Besides, Hope might not be the best virtue for someone who is very angry and hopeless.

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089558#msg1089558
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 02:03:46 pm »
The hope is useless when all the RoLs are cremated which leaves 2 options: remove the hope, or remove the cremations
I suggest removing Hope since we're on a theme anyways. The fallen one's sin is Pride and one of the sin's manifestations is underestimating one's enemies.  For this False God, that should manifest in the total disregard of defense. Besides, Hope might not be the best virtue for someone who is very angry and hopeless.

     I have three responses to this and they all feel vastly different. I'd advice to read them separately, not as a single paragraph, or they'd be confusing. :p

*The hope, like most cards in this deck, is there for thematic reasons. An alternative way to make it more useful would be to remove the brimstone eaters and add in 2 more RoLs.

*The fallen angel is ambivalent; there are life-destructive and life-enhancing potentials. There is hope... as much as there are destructive flames; and yet fire has always had a cleansing quality. I've tried to represent that two-sidedness.

*Another way to put it which would fit the darker side of the thematic far better: It is false hope... represented by the lack of entities that radiate light (good), the ones that do being ritually sacrificed/murdered to fuel the fire.

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089652#msg1089652
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 09:25:22 pm »
To the first paragraph, your FG has 2 times the amount of cards (eg 4 brimstones instead of 2) but the maximum cannot equal 12. By adding more RoLs, you exceed the maximum amount of RoLs you can have in a deck.

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089657#msg1089657
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 09:49:33 pm »
You can't have more than 6x2 RoLs. That would just be paradoxical!  ::)

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1089818#msg1089818
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 08:28:11 pm »
To the first paragraph, your FG has 2 times the amount of cards (eg 4 brimstones instead of 2) but the maximum cannot equal 12. By adding more RoLs, you exceed the maximum amount of RoLs you can have in a deck.
http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox

To quote the Quests: "The normal laws of elements do not apply to these guys."

You can't have more than 6x2 RoLs. That would just be paradoxical!  ::)
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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1090152#msg1090152
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2013, 01:09:04 pm »
That normal rules not apply means the 3x Mark 2x Draw and doubled card amount. You STILL can't have more card than 6, but it's doubled at the end, so you CAN'T HAVE more than 12 :P

No, it doesn't.

Yes, you can.

http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox


-.-" Don't be a fool. You CAN'T TAKE MORE CARDS THAN 12!!! Btw do something not counter-effective :P

I used this deck against Lucifer and shamefully it was useful ( 57% of win so I think it's needs a bit help :P ).

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I think it's need a little quanta balance. This FG makes much more  :light than it's needs. 3x mark is slightly enough (and the 6 RoL is generating even with the Crematory). -2 pendulum +1 pillar and +1 Brimstone eater should help. +2 explosion should help and Rage potion is very effective with the Archangels. For defension Fire buckler seems useful/Mirror shield. Fire buckler makes this deck more vulnerable against Steal, but very useful against other rushes. Mirror shield helps against Psion deck.
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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1090190#msg1090190
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2013, 04:10:03 pm »
That normal rules not apply means the 3x Mark 2x Draw and doubled card amount. You STILL can't have more card than 6, but it's doubled at the end, so you CAN'T HAVE more than 12 :P

No, it doesn't.

Yes, you can.

http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1090216#msg1090216
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2013, 05:32:12 pm »
That normal rules not apply means the 3x Mark 2x Draw and doubled card amount. You STILL can't have more card than 6, but it's doubled at the end, so you CAN'T HAVE more than 12 :P

No, it doesn't.

Yes, you can.

http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox

Kay, take 8 RoL in it.

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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1090435#msg1090435
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2013, 03:52:44 pm »
I used this deck against Lucifer and shamefully it was useful ( 57% of win so I think it's needs a bit help :P ).

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I think it's need a little quanta balance. This FG makes much more  :light than it's needs. 3x mark is slightly enough (and the 6 RoL is generating even with the Crematory). -2 pendulum +1 pillar and +1 Brimstone eater should help. +2 explosion should help and Rage potion is very effective with the Archangels. For defension Fire buckler seems useful/Mirror shield. Fire buckler makes this deck more vulnerable against Steal, but very useful against other rushes. Mirror shield helps against Psion deck.

I'm not trying to create an arena deck that wins all the time against everything, I'm trying to create a cool thematic deck. If you look at the Fake Gods, you'll notice that some of their decks are downright bad - Elidnis comes to mind. This deck is something not done by any of the other FGs, it's a cool theme, and it works pretty well.

I'm aware that monoaether is the primary unupped FG farmer, and it having a ~60% winrate against this isn't a bad thing.

And, again, Fake Gods aren't about having invincible super strong decks. I'd rather stick to this theme than mess around with it to make it slightly stronger; maybe switching out a pendulum or two for towers and a fireball for a rage elixir.
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Re: Lucifer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50541.msg1113227#msg1113227
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 04:06:33 am »
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