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Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205415#msg205415
« on: November 20, 2010, 06:40:17 pm »
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2x Every card, 3x Mark.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't been proposed before ;)

Suggestions?

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205419#msg205419
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 06:45:37 pm »
Sooo.... This is Dark Matter with Mono/duo screw up....

I Would rage quit as soon as i saw his name....
Don't even see a way to beat it.

Great deck, just think its to OP in the hands of an FG.
This would be the deck of a Real god ;D


And there's no reason for the momentum cards... minor buff for Chargers?
Forget it ;D

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205421#msg205421
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 06:47:11 pm »
Animated discord =P

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205521#msg205521
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 08:56:53 pm »
yea really. I don't see a way to beat this deck since flying momentumed discords are just gonna kill.

=_= if there is a non-false god, this should be one.
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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205541#msg205541
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 09:19:34 pm »
yea really. I don't see a way to beat this deck since flying momentumed discords are just gonna kill.

=_= if there is a non-false god, this should be one.
Well there are a few topics discussing real gods. Tthis would be great for one of those, if zanz ever considers it.

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205557#msg205557
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 09:34:04 pm »
Fighting against Chuck Norris isn't fun at all :P

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205561#msg205561
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 09:39:34 pm »
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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg205757#msg205757
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 01:51:58 am »
You have 12 discords, and 10 flying weps.

Plus, CC would be viable. Maybe if you added quint?
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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg225734#msg225734
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 04:30:31 am »
Subsequent Discords are redundant, though of course one will come out early and they do damage.

Shields do nothing, running rainbow is too slow and will succumb to black holes, and monos get delayed (though not completely screwed) by Discord.  Speed is key.

There is no perm/creature control, though, so I'm seeing an out.  Time/Aether duo should fare alright, with Lightning for Chargers and possibly also Water-mark-powered Mind Flayers... Rewind/Eternity for flying weapons and no-deckout stall, full complement of SoG and possibly also SoD to buy time, and the whole shebang powered by pillars, but with 6x Nova thrown in to burst low-cost cards out.  Removing Momentum from the picture is only half the battle... Procrastination will kill half his power, effectively doubling your Shard healing.  And also buying time against a Gravity nymph and flying Discords.  If 4 :time seems too expensive with Eternity, go with Improved Fog.  It won't stop his nymph, but it will slow his Discords almost as well.

On one Nova you can lobo one Charger/nymph, Rewind a Discord, THEN play a shard or three (random quanta usage may snipe your lobo/rewind quanta).  Two Novas will power a Mind Flayer, Eternity needs to come out eventually but all you need is a turn or two without Black Hole-age to get it out, then save Rewinds for after Black Holes and use Eternity when he doesn't.

The strategy should work like a charm for shutting him down, but Mind Flayers and Eternity won't do much against his Black Holes' healing.  An unconventional strategy may work for that... play only one aether tower and 2-3 time factories.  That's all you really need to power Lightning/Eternity/Procrastination, and it will severely cut his healing.  If in a bind for emergency quanta, you can stack a tower or two on top of a nova or two.  Having only six Novas is a problem.

An alternative to low quanta production: burst out a Dune Scorpion and toss Momentum on it.  Here's what I was able to toss together, it's rough.  And kind of silly of me to propose a bane deck for a FG idea, but I couldn't resist the challenge!

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg225759#msg225759
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 05:11:20 am »
It looks okay, but it seems to me that it still only has a certain amount of reliability.

Without any kind of healing so far, and with Khaos double drawing, there's more than a large possibility that all the control can't keep up with his cards.

You will need to wait a while before you can find the opportunity to play your cards, and even then You have to get around healing and double health.

An still after all that control, 1 Discord and the 10 BH Spells will still be around to give you a heckuva hard time getting any quanta.

Even at that point, it's an insanely specialized deck that you would only field from oracle predictions, and is practically worthless against any other FG.

But hey, at least we know it's not impossible :)

Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg225763#msg225763
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 05:29:24 am »
Oh, woops.  Forgot to put in the shards!

Discord has diminishing returns on quanta stalling.  As long as the nymph is dealt with, ten Black Holes shouldn't be a problem, since this deck relies mainly on burst quanta.  Nova and tower's initial +1 is mainly what you'll use, not quanta left over from previous turns... except with Eternity and maybe Procrastination/Dune Scorp.  Unless the nymph isn't lobo'd, he has ten Black Holes out of... how many turns the game will last?  :)

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Re: Khaos https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16039.msg225781#msg225781
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 06:10:29 am »
 In the end though, you only have 6 Lightnings against 10 Chargers, and 6 Rewinds against 10 Animated Discords.

10 Black holes is still 10 solid turns of denial, and this means it will be at most 10 turns before you get enough quanta for Eternity and procrastination.

In that time, the CP and damage from Chargers and Discords will continue to pile on, and there's a high probability of getting outrushed. even with Rewinds, if you only rely on the burst quanta, 12 CPs will be difficult to deal with. While your deck does stand a good chance of winning,  I'd say it's nowhere near a perfect counter :)

 

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