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Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225701#msg225701
« on: December 16, 2010, 02:52:54 am »
Yeah, I named it just to get Johann's attention.  He asked about a deck that could wipe the floor with most common FG-decks.  Here it goes.

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Protected Spine Carapace pretty much wrecks every major FG deck out there. Add a Protected Pulvy, and the only real way out is to have the CC to handle 6x Stone Dragons, a few of which will be Momentumed and all of which may end up Adrenalined, on top of everything else.  Oh, and Quicksand will buy this deck time to get itself set up right on top of it all.  In other words, unless you're packing a LOT of Antimatter, this deck should put the fear of God into you.
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225739#msg225739
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 04:42:51 am »
A RoL hope could beat that. (if we ommit the green part :)) )
Good riddle you're sharing right there... how to counter that monstrosity??
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225745#msg225745
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 04:54:53 am »
What happens when your carapace is stolen?

I see big trouble for your adrenalined creatures. (yes, you have unstoppables and protects, but if they aren't drawn?)

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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225748#msg225748
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 04:58:43 am »
Ummmm....

Spine Carapace blocks one damage? How exactly does this wreck RoL Hope?

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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225752#msg225752
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 05:03:02 am »
The green ladies and the momentumed dragons, and the protected pulverizer waving hi at your electrocutor :(
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225771#msg225771
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 05:51:14 am »
Yep, it's not about the Spine Carapace vs. RoL/Hope, it's about the decent quantity of momentumed damage staring you in the face.  That, and Quicksands slow down Fractal nicely.
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg225779#msg225779
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 06:02:46 am »
uhhm, anyways, the only good counter to this may seem to be RoL/Hope, and Hope to get a quick electrocutor without any pulvy out :D

Maybe it's TOO hard. Remember Demigods aren't still implemented (lawl), and this+2xhp+2xdraw+2xcards+3xmark... Well, you know, maybe it's too much

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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg226034#msg226034
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 06:53:11 pm »
No CC means a counter-deck is possible.

RoL + Hope would be ok if you switch mark to earth and add some Protect Artifacts for the Electrocutor and the Pillars. 6x would be the best, maybe...
It's still difficult, but...

Wait. Crusader Rainbow with Protect Artifact for towers and some weapons? Titans for the damage, Lobos for momentum and life nymphs, Pulverizer for non-protected permanents. Sundial stall, Owl's Eyes for killing the creatures, some Dimensional Shields for protection. No, it would be too slow, probably. Although...
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg226047#msg226047
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 07:20:23 pm »
A RoL hope could beat that. (if we ommit the green part :)) )
Good riddle you're sharing right there... how to counter that monstrosity??
Imao...unupped shields against RoL/Hope would work really better. Here's why:
    The RoLs will deal damage so they will get poisoned and die^ You won't have enough light quanta to fractal dragonsIf you can't fractal dragons with RoL/Hope then really...GAME OVER
Unupped are better just against RoL/Hope. Otherwise, upped ;)

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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg226076#msg226076
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 08:08:43 pm »
No CC means a counter-deck is possible.
Spine Caparace -----> CC (massive)

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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg226169#msg226169
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 11:00:01 pm »
No CC means a counter-deck is possible.

Well, of course -- there's a counter-deck to everything.  BatCountry's Momentumed Purple Nymph t50 deck would ace this one every time.  The point is that Howitzer would take out every common anti-FG deck pretty handily.   Except, perhaps, Shak'ar.  IDK about that one.
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Re: Howitzer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17715.msg226219#msg226219
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 12:19:26 am »
No CC means a counter-deck is possible.

Well, of course -- there's a counter-deck to everything.  BatCountry's Momentumed Purple Nymph t50 deck would ace this one every time.  The point is that Howitzer would take out every common anti-FG deck pretty handily.   Except, perhaps, Shak'ar.  IDK about that one.
There must exist some kind of counter-ish, but the fact that FG's decks are 200hp+double cards+triple mark make some decks nearly unbeatable. You must remember that everytime you make FGs...
IDK about this one, but IMO is too badass (and we don't need another hermes, unless demigods are implemented :P)

 

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