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Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg342605#msg342605
« on: May 29, 2011, 11:20:12 am »
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EDIT: Either Eternity or Hourglasses will need to go, the Mark doesn't generate enough :time for both.

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I'm considering adding Butterfly effect to V3.

Paradox is widely regarded as the weakest False God. He was one of the first Gods made (I think, I wasn't there), and hasn't been changed since then. He is the only FG to have more than 12 copies of each card.

He has a few weaknesses, namely: Blessing RoLs instead of Deja vus, CC on RoLs, slow setup, etc.

I got a bit carried away and inadvertently created 3 different versions. The first one resembles the current Paradox, with a few tweaks, the second one powers Twins entirely off its Mark, and the third uses :entropy instead. They each have Eternity, for some extra CC.

It seems inevitable that Paradox will either be buffed or removed soon, and I don't want it to be removed, purely because the combo is so brilliant.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Any ideas to give Paradox a bit more of a bite?

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Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg342718#msg342718
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 05:54:18 pm »
Power off the mark means either eternity or hourglasses.
Having both limits the effectiveness.
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Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg342975#msg342975
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 01:29:59 am »
1. Paradox was not one of the first  :D
2. Just a suggestion: Have you tried a version with Luciferase and Hope? Works really well in even without special False God abilities.
3. What Onizuka said, Version 1 is way too tight on  :time
4. MOAR TURTLE SHIELD  :P

Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg342979#msg342979
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 01:45:48 am »
paradox is not the weakest just saying...
he can sometimes get lucky and PU a mega buffed deja vu that has yet to use its ability, 4 large deja vus are quite scary...

neptune has my vote the weakest

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Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg342984#msg342984
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 02:03:22 am »
It depends on which deck you use ... Neptune owns RoL/Hope, but not CCYB. RoL/Hope owns Paradox, and CCYB does pretty well against it.
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Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg343670#msg343670
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 02:33:46 am »
I like Version 2 the best. V3 is a distant second mainly because I'm a bit iffy on changing one of its elements, it wouldn't "feel" like Paradox anymore...though of course that's not really a valid reason. How's the quanta balance for V.2 (if you've tested it already)?

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Re: Paradox: Improved https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26958.msg343738#msg343738
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 05:59:27 am »
V2's actually the only one I have checked. It seems fairly balanced; he only needs 1 or 2 of each tower on the starting draw, and he gets more quanta long-term than the current Paradox.
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