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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1099965#msg1099965
« Reply #360 on: September 30, 2013, 10:54:25 pm »
A well-needed update, indeed! Thank you, CG :)

On a sidenote, was Chaos Wyrms not tested? Or was it just considered not a viable deck for Gold? Or..?

As I pointed out in literally the first response to your reposting of the deck which you just linked, it has been tested in three of the four leagues (i.e. everything but platinum). As the results are sorted by win rate, chaos wyrms' relatively low win rate results in it not reaching the top five (by win rate) in any section. See the "additional decks" spoilers for each (non-platinum) section for the test results.

It is the top tested non-sosac-based gold farmer when sorted by profit.

edit: Added a giant note to the top of the list pointing out that there's more than five decks in each category.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1099975#msg1099975
« Reply #361 on: October 01, 2013, 12:21:41 am »
Just checking :P That's actually good to know, since I've been using CW as my main Gold grinder (which I don't do often, but still).
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103826#msg1103826
« Reply #362 on: October 17, 2013, 06:07:07 am »
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103860#msg1103860
« Reply #363 on: October 17, 2013, 11:02:22 am »
Would it be safe to assume the decks shown are still to date and not out of date?

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103861#msg1103861
« Reply #364 on: October 17, 2013, 11:19:00 am »
@GiantFrog

yes, he last updated it Jan 10th. If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been a radical change since then. Judge for yourself, these decks should still be usable.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103871#msg1103871
« Reply #365 on: October 17, 2013, 11:45:22 am »
Thank you for the update, I cant really say the last time I played but Ill try out the decks listed.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103875#msg1103875
« Reply #366 on: October 17, 2013, 11:53:48 am »
I can mention one deck that doesn't work as advertised anymore. The Silver PSNbow, By iancudorinmarian. Not enough PC mostly. Can be fixed by packing 2 Pulvies. Snovabows and PSNbows especially rush well.

The rest are actually a-okay despite an update being long ago. Reason being Arena changes rather every week between metas but doesn't ever take a huge leap in difference.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103917#msg1103917
« Reply #367 on: October 17, 2013, 03:17:45 pm »
I can mention one deck that doesn't work as advertised anymore. The Silver PSNbow, By iancudorinmarian. Not enough PC mostly. Can be fixed by packing 2 Pulvies. Snovabows and PSNbows especially rush well.

The rest are actually a-okay despite an update being long ago. Reason being Arena changes rather every week between metas but doesn't ever take a huge leap in difference.

To add to this a little bit, all tests shown were conducted during the current patch (1.32) so no changes to game mechanics have affected any of these tests. Metas, however, shift rather quickly, particularly in relation to the top decks for a given target.

The top decks in particular tend to take a hit because once they become known and many people play with them, decks that can beat them tend to rise through the ranks of the league while decks they beat are rapidly ejected from the arena. Along with that, people who follow the meta will tailor their submissions to beat the popular farmers.

As Higurashi noted, though, it's often possible to slightly tweak a deck to mitigate whatever counter(s) are popular in a particular league at any given time. For example, I personally love to swap a reflective shield into wrecking ball when playing silver due to the amount of sow/psion-based aether that's been around lately.

With all that being said, I rarely find the meta-related shifts to be huge - it's usually a roughly 3-5% swing in most cases, though I've seen some top tier decks lose a good 10-15% from becoming too popular for a given target.

So, in other words, yes the information is current, but meta swings can (and do) make certain decks perform differently on any given day than they have in the past. Even meta swings don't tend to make an enormous difference in most cases, though.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103984#msg1103984
« Reply #368 on: October 17, 2013, 07:11:54 pm »
I am running the mono psion deck and win rate seems to be sitting around 50% doesnt seem as good as it used to be stat wise the 81% win rate seems high even for just bronze. Basically I have a lot more time to play now and would actually like to start getting some shards but at a 50% win rate with the psion deck and no pc or anything its kinda up or down and highly draw dependant. anything with perm control kinda hurts you.

Again though maybe its just the meh starting hands I get. I got up to slightly over 40k electrum and built an upped fg farmer. But for shard farming it just seems rough since I pretty much have non. I should have farmed arena like mad for shards when it wasnt so adapted.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1103993#msg1103993
« Reply #369 on: October 17, 2013, 07:39:40 pm »
Setting aside whether psiontal has actually fallen that much in win rate against bronze, there's a number of other good options that require no shards (and work with no rares) that are fully unupped. I would recommend monodark (swapping the stiletto for another pillar/drain life/steal/etc if you don't have one) or antabow (swapping the arsenics for poisons if you don't have them).

Once you have the means to make a fully (or mostly) upgraded farmer, things will get a lot easier. Both bronze and silver shardless speedbows will kick out special spins at a relatively absurd rate, and there's a large number of other options if speedbows aren't your thing. Depending on which FG farmer you built, it may also double as an arena farmer at one league or another.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1104110#msg1104110
« Reply #370 on: October 18, 2013, 12:17:08 am »
I built the firecell otk deck, with a couple sanctuaries tossed into it. Ill look at the anta bow and try it out as well as mono dark.

also what is singularity, its a creature card that appears with random mods but is completely new to me...
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1104116#msg1104116
« Reply #371 on: October 18, 2013, 01:32:57 am »
Singularity appears if you play three novas or two supernovas in the same turn. The card did warn you after all.

"Do not cast more than twice per turn."

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