Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32

[ColorlessGreen]

and mono fire too

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I was fooling around with this mono-fire version to check stats a while back (like last summer ish).  It kept on falling between 75-80%. Not judging it, just stating the rough approximate I have from a while ago.  Of course, it's been a while, so this stat might not be entirely accurate.

I did ~20 tests of that deck in bronze earlier this week. I don't have my stats in front of me, but IIRC it came in around 60-65% in those (few) tests. It was quite quick, though. It's on my list for a full stats run at some point, but I anticipate it will come in somewhere around the monodeath but with a slightly lower win rate.

The addition of a few deflags might significantly boost its stats. Dim shields are everywhere in bronze these days, and IIRC several of the losses I had in my brief tests would have been wins with a deflag or two.


edit: On the subject of things I tried in bronze that I didn't make it to 50 games for: Please bear in mind that, like I said, I didn't get to 50 games (yet) on these, so I could have just been on streaks of bad luck, but I don't really think I was.

TribalTrouble's Aflatoxin Babies came in as basically completely worthless for bronze. It may actually be a reasonably good deck for silver, though, but I haven't tested it enough anywhere to be sure. Its win rate in bronze wasn't great, and it was quite slow. I say it might be good in silver because slow, middling win rate stuff is about as good as it gets unupped in silver, and I could see it maintaining similar win rates in silver than in bronze. In bronze, though, you're much better off with something quicker and more stable.

Neuroleptics' Immobow worked acceptably, but less well than more traditional grabbows. It appeared substantially less stable than either antabow or toxic shriekers. Were it not for the existence of multiple similar better decks, I believe it would be a contender for unupped bronze, but given how similar it is to things that perform much better, I didn't really feel the need to continue testing it. Its problems (as compared to antabow) are a lack of PC (since dim shield is everywhere like I said) and a lack of quantum pillars, since monodark is also common in bronze, so I had a few games where I wound up unable to play basically anything but unevolved graboids and lava golems. It's more possible that this was a streak of bad luck (even though I still don't think it was) than the other stuff I've tested, so I may do more runs on this one, but I am basically certain it isn't going to beat antabow.

Toxic Shriekers also worked acceptably. It had a higher win rate (IIRC) than the immobow, but lower than antabow. I would like to complete at least 50 runs with it at some point, but I don't believe it will beat antabow in either win rate or in special spins over time. Again, lack of control is relatively crippling (in terms of being #1 at least). It's still a great deck and a lot of fun, though, and you could definitely do a lot worse than it for grinding bronze.


edit2: As an appeal to anyone else who's interested in doing stats: I cannot bring myself to do really any tests with mono aether or mono dark, since I've played with those decks far too much over the years. Mono dark has some stats in bronze (50 games from a while ago), and mono aether has none. If you're looking to contribute stats to the thread but can't afford upped decks/shards/etc, both of these decks are cheap, both of them are likely quite effective, and both of them need stats. Also, note that while both decks mention a rare weapon, neither need that weapon. Thanks!

[Pella]

TribalTrouble's Aflatoxin Babies came in as basically completely worthless for bronze. It may actually be a reasonably good deck for silver, though, but I haven't tested it enough anywhere to be sure. Its win rate in bronze wasn't great, and it was quite slow. I say it might be good in silver because slow, middling win rate stuff is about as good as it gets unupped in silver, and I could see it maintaining similar win rates in silver than in bronze. In bronze, though, you're much better off with something quicker and more stable.

I've been testing this deck, too.  38% win rate through 26 duels.  It's tough to hang with it because of the reasons you mentioned.

In my ever-so-humble opinion, this deck suffers from a design flaw.  Although the Grey Nymphs do a fair job of CC, it frequently backfires.  The opponent's field quickly fills with Malignant Cells, each dealing 1 damage per turn.  Yes, the deck does contain an Ice Shield to block the 1 damage, but only one Shield.  Most of the time, the shield comes too late--if it comes at all--and I die a death of a thousand paper cuts.  That's the primary reason I've had trouble hanging with the deck to complete 50 duels.

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[rob77dp]

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TribalTrouble's Aflatoxin Babies came in as basically completely worthless for bronze. It may actually be a reasonably good deck for silver, though, but I haven't tested it enough anywhere to be sure. Its win rate in bronze wasn't great, and it was quite slow. I say it might be good in silver because slow, middling win rate stuff is about as good as it gets unupped in silver, and I could see it maintaining similar win rates in silver than in bronze. In bronze, though, you're much better off with something quicker and more stable.

I've been testing this deck, too.  38% win rate through 26 duels.  It's tough to hang with it because of the reasons you mentioned.

In my ever-so-humble opinion, this deck suffers from a design flaw.  Although the Grey Nymphs do a fair job of CC, it frequently backfires.  The opponent's field quickly fills with Malignant Cells, each dealing 1 damage per turn.  Yes, the deck does contain an Ice Shield to block the 1 damage, but only one Shield.  Most of the time, the shield comes to late--if it comes at all--and I die a death of a thousand paper cuts.  That's the primary reason I've had trouble hanging with the deck to complete 50 duels.

May I suggest not allowing the first cell to multiply - i.e. Afla the cell and it dies before multiplying!

[ColorlessGreen]

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TribalTrouble's Aflatoxin Babies came in as basically completely worthless for bronze. It may actually be a reasonably good deck for silver, though, but I haven't tested it enough anywhere to be sure. Its win rate in bronze wasn't great, and it was quite slow. I say it might be good in silver because slow, middling win rate stuff is about as good as it gets unupped in silver, and I could see it maintaining similar win rates in silver than in bronze. In bronze, though, you're much better off with something quicker and more stable.

I've been testing this deck, too.  38% win rate through 26 duels.  It's tough to hang with it because of the reasons you mentioned.

In my ever-so-humble opinion, this deck suffers from a design flaw.  Although the Grey Nymphs do a fair job of CC, it frequently backfires.  The opponent's field quickly fills with Malignant Cells, each dealing 1 damage per turn.  Yes, the deck does contain an Ice Shield to block the 1 damage, but only one Shield.  Most of the time, the shield comes to late--if it comes at all--and I die a death of a thousand paper cuts.  That's the primary reason I've had trouble hanging with the deck to complete 50 duels.

May I suggest not allowing the first cell to multiply - i.e. Afla the cell and it dies before multiplying!

If one was going to go that route, it'd probably be better to just switch to fire pillars and use red nymphs for CC/damage (or earth nymphs or whatever) instead of waiting on aflatoxin to be slow CC and ignoring its creature-slot-denial properties.

I'd recommend adding more ice shields and/or skull shields personally, but I still don't think it's gonna make it a good bronze farmer (though I still think it has potential in silver). Alternately, dry spell(s) and either death effects or ice bolts.

[rob77dp]

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TribalTrouble's Aflatoxin Babies came in as basically completely worthless for bronze. It may actually be a reasonably good deck for silver, though, but I haven't tested it enough anywhere to be sure. Its win rate in bronze wasn't great, and it was quite slow. I say it might be good in silver because slow, middling win rate stuff is about as good as it gets unupped in silver, and I could see it maintaining similar win rates in silver than in bronze. In bronze, though, you're much better off with something quicker and more stable.

I've been testing this deck, too.  38% win rate through 26 duels.  It's tough to hang with it because of the reasons you mentioned.

In my ever-so-humble opinion, this deck suffers from a design flaw.  Although the Grey Nymphs do a fair job of CC, it frequently backfires.  The opponent's field quickly fills with Malignant Cells, each dealing 1 damage per turn.  Yes, the deck does contain an Ice Shield to block the 1 damage, but only one Shield.  Most of the time, the shield comes to late--if it comes at all--and I die a death of a thousand paper cuts.  That's the primary reason I've had trouble hanging with the deck to complete 50 duels.

May I suggest not allowing the first cell to multiply - i.e. Afla the cell and it dies before multiplying!

If one was going to go that route, it'd probably be better to just switch to fire pillars and use red nymphs for CC/damage (or earth nymphs or whatever) instead of waiting on aflatoxin to be slow CC and ignoring its creature-slot-denial properties.

I'd recommend adding more ice shields and/or skull shields personally, but I still don't think it's gonna make it a good bronze farmer (though I still think it has potential in silver). Alternately, dry spell(s) and either death effects or ice bolts.

Red Nymph is certainly not better and I'd argue not even equal damage output to Grey Nymph.  Better CC?  Certainly.  Less versatile though - as against non-DR shields (fog, dush, grav, others?) I afla my own critter to generate a cell army and otherwise against opposing creatures.  To each their own I suppose! 

[Pella]

That deck is so slow that I often have only one Grey Nymph in play, and I must decide between killing a Malignant Cell or going after the dragon that just joined its brother on the field.  Yes, dear, the thought did occur to me.  Have to make difficult choices, though.

If it were my deck, I'd change it in a heartbeat, but it's not my deck.  Changing the deck would corrupt the data, especially when multiple people are testing the same deck--and most especially if multiple people change it in different ways.  Believe me, I desperately wanted to add an Ice Shield or 3.

[ColorlessGreen]

If it were my deck, I'd change it in a heartbeat, but it's not my deck.  Changing the deck would corrupt the data, especially when multiple people are testing the same deck--and most especially if multiple people change it in different ways.  Believe me, I desperately wanted to add an Ice Shield or 3.

As far as that goes, we have a large number of decks which were modified from their original form before being submitted here. It is perfectly fine to submit things as "(Deck Name) by (XXX), modified by (YYY)". The "modified by" note (as well as posting the separate deck code) will let Elbirin know to give it its own entry. It does cause some pretty silly situations, though, like the fact that in plat, we have three different things all listed as modifications of "New Old Times".

[Jyiber]

Someone should determine what the best unupped mono decks are and lay out all the stats for 1.32.

Aether and Darkness should be near the top, but I'd expect Fire to perform better than the stats I've seen here.

I would try new formulas to see if there are better combinations than what's been established.

I might have done all this myself, but I have a bad habit of changing my deck every other game.

[Calindu]

Someone should determine what the best unupped mono decks are and lay out all the stats for 1.32.

Aether and Darkness should be near the top, but I'd expect Fire to perform better than the stats I've seen here.

I would try new formulas to see if there are better combinations than what's been established.

I might have done all this myself, but I have a bad habit of changing my deck every other game.

Why would we do this? I mean: if other decks can perform better, why should we test other decks that perform worse? Just for having more tests?
Don't forget that you can test it and then post the results.

[ColorlessGreen]

Worthwhile unupped mono decks are already being tested, though as Cal pointed out they're being tested out of suspicion that they're good decks across the board rather than because they're monos.

We do definitely need more tests of unupped decks, though, including the monos. Mono aether needs a test in bronze (and silver most likely) which I'm not going to do but I hope someone else will do. Mono death and darkness have 50 game tests but could definitely use another 50+ games each. Aside from monofire, there isn't any other unupped mono that I personally think is a contender in bronze, though I would love to be proven wrong.

And, as Cal pointed out (also), anything that you would like tested that isn't being tested, please test yourself. Tests don't have to be done in a single sitting or in a row, so there's nothing stopping you from switching decks every game and just switching between three different decks each game. Provided you stick with the same three decks, at the end of 150 games you'll have three 50-game chunks to report. If you go this route, I recommend writing down the deck codes for each in the same place as wherever you're recording the tests so that you can just import each time and be sure that you're using the same deck within a given test.

With regards to mono fire: If you can post a build that you have reason to believe will do better than the one that's already in the thread, and you convince me that it'll do better (which honestly shouldn't be that hard, as I've already mentioned ways that I think the one in the thread could be improved), I'll do a 50 game test of it myself (at some point).

[trashduke]

I just did a 50 game test with this in Bronze.  W: 47, L:3, %: 94%,  6.4255 TTW

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5fe 5fe 5p0 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7nq 7nq 7nq 7nq 8po

It's similar to Biotic X's "My take on SoFr and SoB 1.32," though I think I got it from someone else's list of decks.http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45996.msg1032214.html#msg1032214

For future I'd sub another seraph for the nymph, or another air creature (I never got to use the gas anyway).

It was very fast, and quite fun.

[trashduke]

Just did a run in bronze with this Regen2k9's mono-dark and was happily surprised at how quickly and smoothly it went.  Here are the stats:

W: 41, L: 9; 82%, TTW:11.56, EM: 9 (that's a little better than the stats posted currently, which give 77%)

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5up 5ur 5us 5us 5us 606 606 606 606 606 8pt

It's a nice deck that stands a chance against almost everything.  And since you can get the single rare from completing the quests, it is obtainable quickly.  I would recommend this to Newbs as a great starter build, and one they could use to farm for rares in bronze.   

Cheers.