Best way to sort decks in arena stats study?

[ColorlessGreen]

What would be the best way to sort the results of the "Decks Used Against Arena With Stats" study within each category?

Options:
-Special Spins Per Hour (SSPH) - As described in UEI, SSPH is based off the "games per special spin" table shown in the OP of the arena stats study, and assumes 333 turns occur per hour. This option would result in each category of the study being sorted for maximum rares over time.

-Profit Per Hour (UEI) - Total electrum per hour (including the value of cards won from both regular spins and special spins). Also assumes 333 turns occur per hour. More details in the UEI thread. This option would result in each category of the study being sorted for maximum electrum over time.

-Win Rate (WR) - Current and traditional sorting method. Ranks decks purely by win rate percentage without considering speed.

-Turns To Win (TTW) - Method that has been used at various times in the past for other studies. Ranks decks purely by speed without considering win rate.

-Turns Per Win (TPW) - TTW divided by Win Rate. Ranks decks by the amount of turns it takes to get a win. Something of a compromise between other options.


If it affects your decision, I currently intend to set up the categories as follows:
-Bronze (Unupped)
-Silver (Unupped)
-Bronze (Upped)
-Silver (Upped)
-Gold (Upped)
-Platinum (Upped)

Categories for unupped gold/platinum would be added were an unupped deck found that could succeed. I am willing to take suggestions on alternate ways to do this if anyone has opinions.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the sorting method? This poll will remain open until whenever I update the arena stats OP, which could be today or could be a month from now.

edit: For clarification, if an option other than win rate is chosen, decks which do not have a TTW recorded will be placed at the bottom of the list until we are able to retest including TTW.

[dragonsdemesne]

I voted for win rate.  SSPH and UEI aren't really very good metrics in my opinion, because some people will play faster than others, due to being able to think faster (or slower) than another player.  It's also more fun when you've got a really high win rate, even if it's taking a bit longer per game.

[CuCN]

SSPH assumes a constant number of turns per hour, eliminating the effect of individual testers on game time.

[Higurashi]

It's a tough choice between SSPH and WR, because you go to Arena for rares, but rares aren't only in the special spins. They're also in normal spins, so WR is still relevant. I voted for SSPH for now because it still has the majority of rares, especially in lower leagues. The optimal solution would be to calculate average rares/h, but since every deck is different in the Arena I don't see how that'd be possible outside of a LOT of empirical testing (i.e. it's not feasible).

[ColorlessGreen]

Added in an option I'd forgotten to add earlier - Turns Per Win. It's just TTW divided by win rate. It shows how long it takes to get a win, which correlates quite strongly with both profit over time and special spins over time, so it's a simpler stat than either UEI or SSPH but still accounts for both WR and TTW. Note that the poll allows switching votes if this is something you'd prefer over what you voted for already.

I plan to leave this poll running for at least a week even if I wind up ready to update the thread earlier (which is looking likely). If I update before the poll closes, I will stick with traditional WR-based sorting until the poll closes and then update the sort if something other than WR wins.

[eaglgenes101]

There's a table I made that says how many games, on average, one will play per special spin with a deck of a given winrate in a given arena.

It's here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.0.html
And the formula it's based on is here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.48.html

I'd opt for special spins per turn.

[ColorlessGreen]

There's a table I made that says how many games, on average, one will play per special spin with a deck of a given winrate in a given arena.

It's here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.0.html
And the formula it's based on is here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.48.html

I'd opt for special spins per turn.

That formula is exactly where the SSPH formula came from. SSPH is actually just special spins per 333 turns.

[ColorlessGreen]

On the off-chance anyone cares about this but hasn't voted yet, voting will be open for around another week (i.e. I'll let a week go by, then it'll close whenever after a week from now I get around to coming in here and clicking the lock voting button).

[Pella]

I voted SSPH.

Although I often go grinding in the Arena for the , the primary reason the Community go in there is for the rares.  As Higs pointed out, the Arena hands out plenty of rares without using Special Spins, yet the SSs remain the most visible (and, arguably, most fun!) way to get rares.

[rob77dp]

I voted SSPH.

Although I often go grinding in the Arena for the , the primary reason the Community go in there is for the rares.  As Higs pointed out, the Arena hands out plenty of rares without using Special Spins, yet the SSs remain the most visible (and, arguably, most fun!) way to get rares.

I voted SSPH as well.  Why would we want to use WR alone when SSPH is simply a better version where win-rate has been adjusted for target level of Arena?

[ColorlessGreen]

Man, a month after first posting the poll, it's suddenly quite a close race between special spins/hour and plain win rate. Just a reminder that this poll should close sometime this weekend, so if you care and haven't voted (or want to switch your vote), now is the time.

[ColorlessGreen]

Meant to do this earlier, but the poll is now closed. We will be sticking with win rate as a sorting method for arena stats for the foreseeable future. Thanks for your input, everybody!