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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126823#msg1126823
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2014, 04:37:02 pm »
This is a test run. I don't expect to get more than 200 games today, and I will compute them myself. Today is mainly in order to show everyone how the project will work. I'll probably introduce a spreadsheet that gets you the table by tomorrow.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126824#msg1126824
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2014, 04:46:59 pm »
The age of the deck isn't needed, it mostly is covered in the "HP" part.
Also, It's not mandatory to record the Maximum Starting HP of the faced decks. It is if it is under 100 HP, though.

I'd argue the case to do things the opposite way, recording HP means there can be lack of clarity as regards whether a deck is missing 2/32 HP or 4/64 HP, or for a 1HP deck whether it's 7 days old or 507 days old. Recording age and not HP seems the better choice to me.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126828#msg1126828
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2014, 05:20:23 pm »
Again, this is a matter of how easy it is to record some data. Also, not sure I understood your problem.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126848#msg1126848
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2014, 07:28:18 pm »
Played 40 in Plat with Pdial.

Lot of Purify in it, but still not enough. And almost no creativity in deckbuilding (says the PDial guy).

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HPMarkDeck description (+important cards/rares)Result
198 :gravity Rainbow (Most like Grav+Life based deck and random cards), not seen any SoFocus in it, but does Pulvy and OtyL
168 :water Simple Death rush with SoSac, zero purify (Water mark used for Oracle given Abyss crawler)W
168 :entropy DisHole (Rather DisFocus)L
103 :water Water+Death poison+rush+direct damage (Water dominant, SoPat, Purify, Arsenic, Arctic Squid)W
200 :fire Octane like deck+SoBraveryW
200 :fire Cremation+Gnome gemfinder Lava destroyer rush. Uses PurifyL
149 :death Water+Death poison rush (SoPat,Arctic squid, Physalia)W
185 :fire Mono' fire Cremation Minor phoenix rush. Stalls quanta for Fire lances. Sacrifices Damsenfly.W
155 :time Time+Life Silurian dragon+Mitosis+SoReadiness. Close to OTK. SoGraditude, Eternity used.L
174 :time Rol+Hope deck with a twist. Deva Vu copies itself and Light Nymph uses Luciferin. I think there's Miracle in it.W
184 :waterWater+Death posion deck (lot of Purify, I haven't seen the SoSac but could be)L
102 :aether Air rush with SoFree + Aether nymph+SoWW
200 :death Water+Death poison deck (No shards, no purify)W
184 :earth Earth+Darkness quanta denial rushL
196 :gravityPharaoh deck (No SoFocus, but does Black hole)W
121 :lightDamselfly based Flying weapon+Morning glory+SoFree deck. MiraclesW
191 :water Mono poison deck. No creatures seen. (SoSac, Arsenic)L
200 :gravityDisHole (shardless)L
176 :aetherMono aether (SoW+Phase dragon, Electrocutor, Phase shield, Silence)L
169 :gravityMono rush with SoFocus and OverdriveL
200 :darknessEarth+Darkness quanta denial+SoVL
196 :lightLight+Death Poison deck SoSac+SoDiv Deathstalker+BlessingW
200 :airMono air rush (shardless) with UGW
200 :darknessMono darkness rush (only dragon+Pest+Black nymph as creature)W
193 :timeGhostMareL
178 :fireFirestall with Cremation+Gnome gemfinder+Earthquake. No other creature than the gemfinder and BrimstoneL
160 :airOctane like deckW
170 :aetherPestalL
200 :aetherWise Deja Vu deck. VU+Immortality+SoW and after copy. Anubis istead of Quintessence.W
192 :entropyMutation deck with SN and quantum pillarsL
200 :darknessMono rushL
178 :gravityFlying Titan deck (oc SoFocus)L
121 :darknessFire+Earth+Darkness kinda denial: EQ, Pest, Explosion, Obsidian dragon.L
192 :aetherMono rush with SoW, lot of SilenceW
168 :entropyDisHole (Rather DisFocus)L
173 :entropyRainbow rush (No SN) SoSepL
192 :entropyRainbow rush SN, DiscordL
196 :deathPoison rush (Flying Arsenic in there too, SoSac not)W
138 :darknessGemfinder,Vampire, Gargoyle, Dark nymph, Vampire dagger, EclipseL
182 :waterSwallowL
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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126871#msg1126871
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2014, 09:27:10 pm »
Ok then, here's mine for the day

League: Plat
Day: 20-02-14
Deck used: 30 Card PDials
Played: 20
Won: 6

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MarkHPOracle CardDeck name/styleKey cards (if needed)W/L
:darkness32Minor VampireFocused DarkShard of Focus, Vampire, Pest, Eclipse, Siphon LifeL
:time157Reverse TimeHourglass RainbowQuantum Tower, Electrum Hourglass, Elite Graboid, SoFo, Chaos Power, Epinephine, Recluses, Wings, Improved Steal, Elite QueenW
:fire200Unstable GasUnstable GasUnstable Gas, Explosion, Eagle's Eye, Damselfly, Improved FogL
:death163Water PillarPoison StallDeadly Poison, Arctic Octopus, Physalia, PurifyL
:life198Horned FrogMono LifeGiant Frog, Elite Cockatrice, Improved Heal, SoGL
:time198Aether PillarSoW RushElite Anubis, SoW, SoR, Golden Nymph, Twin Universe, Electrum HourglassW
:water168PurifyWater PoisonDeadly Poison, Arsenic, Physalia, Puffer Fish, PurifyL
:earth161Black DragonDark Earth DenialPest, Improved Steal, Quicksand, Black DragonL
:water172ThunderstormUnstable Gas SoPa?SoPa, Air nymph, Immolation, Damselfly, ShockwaveL
:fire198FahrenheitImmo RushPhoton, Cremation, Fahrenheit, Animate Weapon, SeraphW
:darkness158NightmareMono DarkVampire, Pest, Nightmare, Siphon LifeL
:entropy179Water PillarNymph SN BowNymph's Tears, Quantum Tower, Supernova, Discord, Black HoleL
:aether200Aether pillarPsionTalW
:life191Druidic StaffAdrenastavesEmerald DragonL
:entropy147Amethyst DragonDischoleElite Charger, Elite Oytugh, SoFo, Black Hole, Amethyst Dragon, Discord (didn't see one but guessing it was in there from quanta and 23 win streak, until I beat it :D)W
:entropy57DeflagrationStallish SNBowBloodsucker, Forest Spectre, Black Hole, MiracleW
:entropy198Graviton SalvagerDischoleSoFo, Elite ChargerL
:fire198Blue NymphUnstable GasSky Dragon, ExplosionL
:life178Quantum PillarLife Control BowGiant Frog, Forest Spectre, Quicksand, ExplosionsL
:entropy200Entropy NymphControl BowExplosion, Purify, Mindgate, Sanctuary, Air Nymph, Gravity Nymph, Earth Nymph, Aether NymphL

Fixed with Wins and Losses and done some more
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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126874#msg1126874
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2014, 10:36:26 pm »
League: Gold
Day: 02/20/14
Total Games: 21
Won: 10 Lost: 11

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My DeckDeck name/styleHPKey cards (if needed)ResultEMTTW
RoL/Hope/SaderMonoaether192WN18
RoL/Hope/SaderMonodeath rush178WN10
RoL/Hope/SaderFlying titans170SoFoL
RoL/Hope/SaderBone Kitties198WY12
RoL/Hope/SaderImmortal SoW129L
RoL/Hope/SaderPoison141Arsenic, Poison, ChrysaoraL
RoL/Hope/SaderMonodark187L
RoL/Hope/SaderFire Bow145Pharaoh, Mindgate, PhoenixWN8
RoL/Hope/SaderMonoaether182L
RoL/Hope/SaderGhostmare111L
WingsbowFractal Damselflies157L
WingsbowAir/Light duo163SoFr, Golden Dragon, Morning GloryL
WingsbowAether/Death duo137SoW, Mindgate, Phase Recluse, VultureWN7
WingsbowDiss shield bow1WY3
WingsbowGravity/Life Duo165Otyugh, Momentum, SoG, ScorpionWN12
WingsbowPsions185SanctuaryL
WingsbowSN Bow190Otyugh, MomentumL
WingsbowFlying titans170SoFoL
WingsbowSN Bow165Flesh Recluse, SoWWY10
WingsbowFire Rush198Immolation, Fire SpiritWN8
WingsbowMonodark178WN9
My DeckDeck name/styleHPKey cards (if needed)ResultEMTTW

I adapted eljoemo's table to the data I gathered. Let me know if you think it needs changes.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126876#msg1126876
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2014, 10:59:17 pm »
Here's mine:
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Date: 20/02/2014
League: Gold
BlackHole Darkness Denial
Light-Fire Stall 1 HP
Light Stall 101 HP
Fire Rush 162 HP
SNBow 127 HP
Pufferfish Rush 193 HP
Death-Darkness Shard of Void 200 HP
Shrodinger’s Death 173 HP
TimeSNBow 171 HP
GraboidControl 166 HP
Fire Rush 116 HP
Random Rainbow
MonoAirRush 32 HP
RainbowMutation
Time Rainbow
Mono-Aether 51 HP
Pestal 42 HP
MonoWater
Rainbow
MonoDeath Rush
HammerRainbow Rush
I got pretty lucky with your data recording. I wanted to show you various ways to do that and you managed to get them all (or most).
First of all, I went for the essential: HPs only when under 100, explicative enough names without much description. It took me not more than 5 seconds to do each one.
Atom did, instead, a more precise work and also showed you how you can track stats for UEI or something like that while tracking the metagame.
Eljoemo and Zergva tracked the games without (at least not in the same sheet) keeping track of the games won and lost.

I'm the principal staffer, so I exactly know what I want as names of the decks, what's explicit enough and stuff like that, so I found myself just okay with writing the names. If you don't want to risk getting invalid data and it's not too much of a bother to write the key cards and things like that, go ahead and do it like that. However, if the project keeps flowing like this, I believe you all will eventually learn the names and should probably do it mistakelessly.

I just logged in to write this, I'll process the data tomorrow. Good job, though.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126879#msg1126879
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2014, 11:42:11 pm »

Eljoemo and Zergva tracked the games without (at least not in the same sheet) keeping track of the games won and lost.


I've forgotten, checked.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126927#msg1126927
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2014, 11:37:23 am »

Eljoemo and Zergva tracked the games without (at least not in the same sheet) keeping track of the games won and lost.


I've forgotten, checked.
Doesn't really matter, it isn't calculated in this thread, it's more for your personal knowing.
I'll post the yesterday's results as soon as possible.
EDIT: didn't even bother formatting. This is yesterday's gold's results:
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Gold         
Games   42      
         
Characteristics         
Black Hole   1      2,38%
Devourers   4      9,52%
Stall   4      9,52%
Rushes   12      28,57%
Rainbows   11      26,19%
Poison   2      4,76%
Shard of Void   1      2,38%
Bone Walls   2      4,76%
Control   5      11,90%
MonoAether   4      9,52%
Purify   5      11,90%
Rewinds   5      11,90%
Shard of Focus   2      4,76%
Ghostmare   1      2,38%
MonoAir   1      2,38%
Shard Of Freedom   2      4,76%
Immaterials   5      11,90%
Spell Damage   4      9,52%
Healing   1      2,38%
Momentum   3      7,14%
On top, league and number of games played. I wrote the main characteristics of each deck and divided them by that. A deck can fit in more groups.
The percentage on the right means "x% of the decks in that league play this card".

Also, I realized some more data may be needed: deck is up, unup, half-up (no other definitions)
An upped deck, in my opinion, if can have water cards will, most likely, fit a purify. An unupped one may not.
Also, didn't compute the HPs because I'd rather have suggestions on this, first.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126938#msg1126938
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2014, 02:51:39 pm »
Made 20 match in plat (February 21 Sheet). Planning complete to 50 today, but not now.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126949#msg1126949
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2014, 06:34:19 pm »
Hmm, was wondering, maybe I could write a simple spreadsheet with the "characteristics" (read my other post) and a slot to write the number of decks that had those characteristics. Basically, it'd automatically calculate the data and make it less subjective (as much as possible). I'd have to introduce some little rules on deckguessing, though.

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Re: Arena's Metagame Monitoring Project (AMMP) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53601.msg1126961#msg1126961
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2014, 08:22:17 pm »
Well, you'll forgive a double post, will you?
I've just worked out this pretty simple spreadsheet you may want to try. Using the fact that these days testings aren't really official, you're welcome to try it out and give feedback. We'll probably be using something like that in the future for official tests.
Also, in order to use that, I should introduce a couple of definitions:
Rush is a deck which tries to win as fast as possible;
Control is a deck which wins after controlling the opponents field, most likely with Otyughs and stuff like that;
Stall is a deck which wins, usually, via deckout, although it may be different from time to time. It's noticeable it is a stall expecially when it tries to get a perfect defense (hmm, Dissipation Shield), some heavy healing (mostly SoG, but Empathic Bond is also a choice) or a way to reduce opponent's damage (possibly to nothing, Fire Shield and Antimatter are prime examples);
Rainbow is a deck which uses Quantum Pillars/Towers and/or Nova/Supernova;
Denial is a deck which uses Earthquake/Quicksand, Devourer/Pest and/or Black Hole;
Poison is a deck which deals poison damage, no matter how it is inflicted (Poison, Deadly Poison, Scorpions, Dune Scorpions, etc...), and uses it as main damage source, although it may be paired with some creatures or even dragons;
Healing is a deck which presents a good amount of healing per game, this may be due to Miracle, SoG, Empathic Bond, Vampires and so on;
Ghostmare, I felt like I needed to make it a different Trait from the others, but I may merge it with something else if asked to;
Spell Damage is a deck which relies on Spell Damage as main damage source (may be due to Psions, Immortals/Phase Dragons with SoW or similar things);
Momentum is a deck which can deal enough damage to win a game (it's not accounted to be a "momentum" deck if it only plays one sapphire charger, although it is if it plays Dune Scorpion with Momentum);
Low and Few HPs are descripted there.

Also, as for the cards, I always referred (unless I mistook something) to the unupped name of the card, although it refers to both upped and unupped.

If you think I missed something somewhere, say so, it has a lot of room for improvement.

 

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