[OUTDATED - v1.27] turns to win study 3.0 (version 1.27)

[jmdt]

We request you test 50 games yourself to gauge speed before we give it an 'official' test.
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- Please dont post statistics for decks you designed/posted by yourself. Any statistic will be more trustworthy, if its been tested from a "neutral" player.

I understand that the 200 games must be done by a "neutral" player.  However, if I were to submit my own decklist, does the 50 games speed gauge have to be done by the said "neutral" player or can it be done by myself just for preliminary results ?

You can do the 50 yourself.

[willng3]

Okay, I should have time for My Balls can go BOOOOM!!

[Jappert]

Want me to try Bootza's EM grinder? I'll have to get familair with the deck a bit to be able to make the most of it while TTW testing though.

I'd like to test that deck but if you have other suggestions (wich are possibly more interesting for this study), I'm available for testing

Upgraded AI3 EM Grinder [Ver 1.26]
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20936.msg285211#msg285211

[badivan1]

Could you test a Life Rush deck with Epinephrine please ?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11285.0.html

[willng3]

Could you test a Life Rush deck with Epinephrine please ?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11285.0.html

Yeah, that's on the list of decks to test.  If no one else claims it before I get done with my current TTW then I'll do it.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

sorry guys, forgot about my promise to test V2...
I had a busy weekend last week, and I am indulging (is that right word?) all my time into my 100% unupped FG deck (testing for stats) this week (which I gave up my speed vs EM theory for...)
I might be able to test this this weekend (chance=25%, cuz' I might decide to spend my free time this weekend on that theory)
so... bottom line, if you guys still want me to do it, I will do it, but it will have to wait for a couple of weeks

[willng3]

AI setting on high speed.

My Balls can go BOOOOM!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15069.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg. TTW: 5.730

Avg. sec/game: 56.705

Wins: 189

Losses: 11

Ems: 31

posted by - willng3

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6rl 6u2 6u2 6u2 77g 77g 7ae 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7jv 7qb 809 809 809 809 809 809Games:   200
   
avg. Sec/Game:   56.705
Sec/Turn:   9.498324958
Clicks/Game:   16.015
Clicks/Turn:   2.682579564
Score/Min:   19.78661494
Electrum/Min:   20.60664844
   
Time overall (min.):   189.017
Wins:   189
Ems:   31
Losses:   11
Score:   3740
Electrum:   3895

Avg ttw:   5.730

ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   41
ttw 5:   66
ttw 6:   32
ttw 7:   23
ttw 8:   19
ttw 9:   2
ttw 10:   2
ttw 11:   3
ttw 12:   0
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   0
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

Bit of a speed decrease here, as to be expected with the AI's intelligence boost.  Interesting that the win rate is higher though; hopefully this trend continues with other decks as well.

Also, beginning testing of Frogs, and Epi's, and Swords, Oh My!!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11285.0.html)

[jmdt]

Very nice willy.

Looks like wyrms will be faster now.

[MrBlonde]

Hi guys,

Okay that... was pretty painful, testing definitely is not for me. Much credit to you guys who test multiple decks. 

Totally Upgraded AI3 Mastery Despoiler: (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11412.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg ttw: 8.249

Avg. sec/game: 67.99

Wins: 193

Losses: 7

Ems: 114

Win%: 96.5

posted by - MrBlonde

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7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t8 7ta 7ta 7tb 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf 7um 7um 7um 7um

Score gained: 5138 Electrum gained: 6450 Time overall (min.): 218.7 Sec/Turn: 8.242 Score/Min: 23.493 Electrum/Min: 29.492

ttw 3: 0 ttw 4: 0 ttw 5: 0 ttw 6: 18 ttw 7: 55 ttw 8: 48 ttw 9: 31 ttw 10: 21 ttw 11: 11 ttw 12: 4 ttw 13: 2 ttw 14: 1 ttw 15: 0 ttw 16: 1 ttw 17: 0 ttw 18: 0 ttw 19: 0 ttw 20: 0

[badivan1]

AI setting on high speed.

My Balls can go BOOOOM!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15069.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg. TTW: 5.730

Avg. sec/game: 56.705

Wins: 189

Losses: 7

Ems: 31

posted by - willng3

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6rl 6u2 6u2 6u2 77g 77g 7ae 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7jv 7qb 809 809 809 809 809 809Games:   200
   
avg. Sec/Game:   56.705
Sec/Turn:   9.498324958
Clicks/Game:   16.015
Clicks/Turn:   2.682579564
Score/Min:   19.78661494
Electrum/Min:   20.60664844
   
Time overall (min.):   189.017
Wins:   220
Ems:   31
Losses:   11
Score:   3740
Electrum:   3895

Avg ttw:   5.730

ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   41
ttw 5:   66
ttw 6:   32
ttw 7:   23
ttw 8:   19
ttw 9:   2
ttw 10:   2
ttw 11:   3
ttw 12:   0
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   0
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

Bit of a speed decrease here, as to be expected with the AI's intelligence boost.  Interesting that the win rate is higher though; hopefully this trend continues with other decks as well.

Would switching the Ball Lightnings with the newly buffed Gnome Gemfinders improve the TTW significantly ?  At the very least, they certainly seem like good alternatives, if not better.

[willng3]

AI setting on high speed.

My Balls can go BOOOOM!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15069.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg. TTW: 5.730

Avg. sec/game: 56.705

Wins: 189

Losses: 7

Ems: 31

posted by - willng3

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6rl 6u2 6u2 6u2 77g 77g 7ae 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7jv 7qb 809 809 809 809 809 809Games:   200
   
avg. Sec/Game:   56.705
Sec/Turn:   9.498324958
Clicks/Game:   16.015
Clicks/Turn:   2.682579564
Score/Min:   19.78661494
Electrum/Min:   20.60664844
   
Time overall (min.):   189.017
Wins:   220
Ems:   31
Losses:   11
Score:   3740
Electrum:   3895

Avg ttw:   5.730

ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   41
ttw 5:   66
ttw 6:   32
ttw 7:   23
ttw 8:   19
ttw 9:   2
ttw 10:   2
ttw 11:   3
ttw 12:   0
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   0
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

Bit of a speed decrease here, as to be expected with the AI's intelligence boost.  Interesting that the win rate is higher though; hopefully this trend continues with other decks as well.

Would switching the Ball Lightnings with the newly buffed Gnome Gemfinders improve the TTW significantly ?  At the very least, they certainly seem like good alternatives, if not better.

In this case with the additional Power-up cards, it's actually very useful to buff the Ball Lightnings and deal a LOT of damage when you can't play Destroyers in their place; I never really had any serious issues with for it to be a major concern.

[pikachufan2164]

Finally done :D

Tested on a semi-functional high speed AI (i.e. computer is not powerful enough to fully utilize the high speed).

Giant Amphibi'EM v2.0 (-1 CP, -1 Phoenix, +2 Explosion variant): (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21620.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg ttw: 7.836

Avg. sec/game: 72.900

Wins: 183 (91.50%)

Losses: 17

EMs: 113 (61.75%)

posted by - pikachufan2164

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6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 77g 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7dm 7dm 7gm 7jr 7tb 7tb 80g

Score gained: 4946 Score/game: 24.730 Score/min: 20.354 Electrum gained (no spins): 5511 Electrum/game (no spins): 27.555 Electrum/min (no spins): 22.679 Electrum gained (with spins): 6471 Electrum/game (with spins): 32.355 Electrum/min (with spins): 26.630 Time overall (min.): 243.000

ttw 3: 0 ttw 4: 1 ttw 5: 18 ttw 6: 37 ttw 7: 41 ttw 8: 24 ttw 9: 28 ttw 10: 12 ttw 11: 9 ttw 12: 4 ttw 13: 7 ttw 14: 1 ttw 15: 1

Adding Explosions was probably counter-productive to the strategy. If someone else would like to test the 4 Frog, 4 Heal version, I would be happy to hand it off to them -- testing the same variant of the deck for almost 400 games is sort of tiring ^_^"