[OUTDATED] Turns to win study

[Bluesky]

Mono aether :

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61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61v
ttw : 11,22222 ttw

Losses : 5.

I hate stalling.

[jmdt]

Any other unupped decks you would like us to look at?

[hrmmm]

another stat from a unupgraded life/light-rush, inspired by Kurohami´s Life/Light unupped speed rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6150.msg69696#msg69696)
i replaced the carapace and the bonds with frogs for more speed.

here the deck:

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5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5c7 5c7 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8stats:

ttw: 8.28 (50 games)
losses: 11
em: 0

details:
ttw 6:   7
ttw 7:   9
ttw 8: 10
ttw 9:   4
ttw 10: 2
ttw 11: 4
ttw 12: 1
ttw 13: 2


its a bit tricky to play this deck. the a.i. prefers to destroy your rustler and not your frogs. and thats the bestt way to mess this deck up.

[jmdt]

Me and jm have decided to test whether it's better to have a speed EM deck or a rush deck. I had the pleasure of testing hrmmm's golem rush. Pretty much, we're supposed to play 50 games and record the time it took and the electrum/score/wins/losses gained. Here are the results:

Start:
Time - 8:25
Electrum - 42010
Score - 55976
Wins - 1973
Losses - 1616

Finish - 9:30
Electrum - 43619
Score - 56832
Wins - 2020
Losses - 1619

Net Result:
Time: 65 mins
Electrum: +1609
Score: +856
Wins: +47
Losses: +3
Cards won: Fire spirit, ice shield, miracle, pegasus, FFQ, 2 fate eggs, 2 devourers, PU, 2 graboids, 3 EQ
24.75 electrum/min
13.17 score/min

I finally got around to running statistics with Selenbrant's EM life deck to compare. Here's what I found.
 
Before
Score - 173,724
Electrum - 4,794
Time - 12:27
 
After
Score - 175,108
Electrum - 6,623
Time - 1:44
 
Net
Score - 1,384
Electrum - 1,829
Time - 77 minutes
24 cards won
36 EM
 
23.75 electrum/minute
17.97 score/minute
 
So in conclusion, the EM deck averages 4.8 more score per minute, but averages 1 less electrum per minute than the fire rush.  Running the math, that's essentailly 1K score and an upped card every hour with the EM deck versus AI 3.

[Kael Hate]

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4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5c1 5c1 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 71a 77g 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq
This is my rush deck. Its what I compare everything against rush wise when testing. Better than 99% wins against AI3 in my history of using it. Should be near the top of the list for speed.

[hrmmm]

more stats:
(to keep jmdt busy )

Selenbrant's EM life deck:

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7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ad 7ad 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7akttw: 7.14 (50 games)         ttw 5: 1
losses: 0                            ttw 6: 16
em: 35                               ttw 7: 16
score gain: 1542               ttw 8: 12
electrum gain: 2007          ttw 9: 2
time: 80 min.                     ttw10: 3

score/min: 19.28
electrum/min: 25.09
Kael Hate's ai3 deck (just that above)

ttw: 6.30 (50 games)       ttw 4: 4
losses: 4*                        ttw 5: 10
em: 0                               ttw 6: 15
score gain: 741**            ttw 7: 9
electrum gain: 931**       ttw 8: 4
time: 72 min.                    ttw 9: 2
                                         ttw 10/11: 2
*i was terrible unlucky with 3/4 losses. once i lost vs. 3 rewind and 2 lightning. another game i quit, because the ai get a fireshield and a parasite our early. (i had just 1 9/2 golem out). a maxwells demon destroyed me on loss nr.3.
the 4. loss was just a awfull draw. no dmg creatures out, untill turn 6 or 7 and got outrushed by shriekers.

**i dont trust me on this stats. maybe i messed something up here. please take this data with caution
Antagon's PVP Graboid Rainbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7528.0.html) (unupgraded)

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 52q 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5i7 5og 5og 61q 61qttw: 8.16 (50 games)       ttw 6: 8
losses: 0                          ttw 7: 14
em: 0                               ttw 8: 10
score gain: 814                ttw 9: 7
electrum gain: 1064         ttw 10: 5
time: 91 min.                    ttw 11: 3
                                         ttw 12: 3

[Selenbrant]

I noticed that my deck is even better with unupped dragons
- you only pay 10
- there is no difference between 12 and 10 attack unless you attack the dragon attacks at least 3... times, because all other creature have 5 attack(before you attack 3 times AI3 is dead)

[jmdt]

I noticed that my deck is even better with unupped dragons
- you only pay 10
- there is no difference between 12 and 10 attack unless you attack the dragon attacks at least 3... times, because all other creature have 5 attack(before you attack 3 times AI3 is dead)

As far as the upped dragon, the 9 hp is the big plus for being the meatshield of a life lineup.  For some decks the 9 hp makes a big difference (adrenaline decks where fire shield or poison clear your field quickly come to mind).  In my limited tested, I think I agree that for this deck the unupped dragon likely works better.  The extra 2 quanta are just enough for an extra heal to be cast and can lead to a higher EM chance and slightly faster ttw average.

On a second thought, have you looked at Jade staff over Jade shield?

[jmdt]

more stats:
(to keep jmdt busy )

Selenbrant's EM life deck:

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7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ad 7ad 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7akttw: 7.14 (50 games)         ttw 5: 1
losses: 0                            ttw 6: 16
em: 35                               ttw 7: 16
score gain: 1542               ttw 8: 12
electrum gain: 2007          ttw 9: 2
time: 80 min.                     ttw10: 3

score/min: 19.28
electrum/min: 25.09
Kael Hate's ai3 deck (just that above)

ttw: 6.30 (50 games)       ttw 4: 4
losses: 4*                        ttw 5: 10
em: 0                               ttw 6: 15
score gain: 741**            ttw 7: 9
electrum gain: 931**       ttw 8: 4
time: 72 min.                    ttw 9: 2
                                         ttw 10/11: 2
*i was terrible unlucky with 3/4 losses. once i lost vs. 3 rewind and 2 lighning. another game i quit, because the ai get a fireshield and a parasite our early. (i had just 1 9/2 golem out). a maxwells demon destroyed me on loss nr.3.
the 4. loss was just a awfull draw 8 no dmg creatures untill turn 6 or 7 and got outrushed by shriekers.

**i dont trust me on this stats. maybe i messed somethin up here. please take this data with caution
Antagon's PVP Graboid Rainbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7528.0.html) (unupgraded)

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 52q 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5i7 5og 5og 61q 61qttw: 8.16 (50 games)       ttw 6: 8
losses: 0                          ttw 7: 14
em: 0                               ttw 8: 10
score gain: 814                ttw 9: 7
electrum gain: 1064         ttw 10: 5
time: 91 min.                    ttw 11: 3
                                         ttw 12: 3

Without that freak loss I had, your life EM stats look even better.  Not sure it would hold up for t50, but Selenbrant's life rush seems like the optimal score/quanta generating deck for AI3.
 
I updated the stats for Antagon's unupped graboid deck.
 
I may have to give Kael hate's deck a second look; I would have expected it to be faster, maybe in the 5.8-6.0 ttw range.  4 loses in 50 seems like much, but there are no towers and lots of 1 hp creatures, so CC can hit this deck pretty hard.  Maybe you did just hit an unlucky stretch.  I'll probably give this guy a play through when I have a chance since it looks pretty interesting.

[BloodlinE]

can shrieker rush deck be un-upped?

[crimsonflippa]

Pegasus:

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7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jr 7jr 7jr 7jr 7jr 7ju 7ju 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7k0 7k1 7k2Average Ttw: 6.2 (25 games)
Losses: 0
EM: 1

Replacing the mirror shield and miracle with pegasus/archangels would probably decrease the Ttw.

Stats:
(http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/graphwrite.asp?ID=782b426f618b4ece94a08d67c7f768e6&file=png)

[Selenbrant]

I dont use it for T50, since life rush has neither perm nor creature control.