[OUTDATED] List of decks used against Arena with Stats 2.0

[Sevs]

I am going to tell you right now that you are not going to get 57% anymore with a cremation rush in platinum

[zombie0]

looks like 50% after 100 games.  (zombie0 cremation rush vs platinum).  somehow avoided the inevitable big loss streak that defies reason so far.   just the expectable easy and tough wins and losses.

the more valuable information, such as how it does versus types of decks (heavy cc, heavy pc, lifegain, stall) is almost too numerous and varied to describe.  ive played hundreds, maybe even thousands of games with this deck.  would someone casually pick it up and maximize it?  probably not.  does that make it a "bad" deck for others to copy?  maybe.

lets hope we can trust that everyone claiming results actually achieved that (not omitting games they misplayed, felt werent "fair", or straight up fabricating numbers through clever "normalization").

the standard needs to be 200 games, though time consuming it may be.  decks need to be evaluated and reevaluated often. 

[Jocko]

Aren't ghostmare and Day Traitors good plat decks too?

[Aves]

the more valuable information, such as how it does versus types of decks (heavy cc, heavy pc, lifegain, stall) is almost too numerous and varied to describe.  ive played hundreds, maybe even thousands of games with this deck.  would someone casually pick it up and maximize it?  probably not.  does that make it a "bad" deck for others to copy?  maybe.

Well, that's what deck threads are for, right? This is just a list of decks.

lets hope we can trust that everyone claiming results actually achieved that (not omitting games they misplayed, felt werent "fair", or straight up fabricating numbers through clever "normalization").

Well, we're already assuming that. We can't exactly tell when someone's lying or not- there's no feasible way, unless the results a lot of people using the deck are way off the line- and even then, that can be blamed on a dynamic arena or the RNG. There's a certain amount of trust we all place in the integrity of the player who posts the deck, and in the end that's all we can do.

the standard needs to be 200 games, though time consuming it may be.  decks need to be evaluated and reevaluated often.

Yes, but any information is better than no information. Certainly, the information decks with less trials/stats should be treated with as preliminary data, subject to change.


On another note... I played a few more games (10) with my speedbow. Now at W:33 L:17. That's a whole percentage point increase! 

[Rember]

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vNG

Silver League
Games: 50
W: 34
L: 16
EM: 2

68% winrate

Let me just say that anyone who thinks platinum is fire league is very mistaken. I'd assume JMZ gets roughly 50% winrate in silver now, if someone wants to do 50 games feel free. Could just be my luck however.

[Xenocidius]

Minimum number of games is now 50. Decks which have been claimed to have a lower winrate than indicated will be highlighted red.

[Kiduterus]

I played 100 Games in Platinum last night with the JMZ Puly/Sader and had the following results:

W: 35
EM W: 10
L: 65
Electrum (Net): +6513
Special Spins: 0  (Although I did win three unupped rares in the normal spins)

[zombie0]

without 200 games of real data, you cannot consistently claim anything.  know what happened to my deck the next 49 games after it went 50-50?  its 15-34.  does that mean it didnt go 50-50 the first 100?  no, it certainly did.  does that mean it is only 30% win ever?  no, it can post a winning ratio too.  well...what does it mean?  it means that it needed more data before it claimed anything, before it gets shoved in everyones face "im a great deck builder and here is proof!".  without the 200 game minimum, there is no proof...just potential.

the most consistent and sustained decks should be posted here, not whatever did well that day (unless i missed the point of the thread, maybe it is supposed to be what has a winning % today exactly?)

perhaps the important information would be a breakdown of exactly how well it does versus each specific deck type (assuming those deck types can be lumped together in a logical way).

you got me, it would just be really nice to see some effort in these stats.  someone posting (for example) 40-28 w/l all by itself just feels lazy and let be honest, how often have you really been able to duplicate the results from a claimed win/loss %  ?

phew, thats what im thinking atm.  if it looks stupid later ill edit

[gumbeh]

I wouldn't use the word "stupid", zombie. I would say, though, that the rigor and discipline needed for serious studies of AI performance is somewhat wasted on Arena studies. It's a box of chocolates, and facing even a couple of the best or worst decks will skew numbers.

You're right in that 200 games is a much more useful stat. The problem is that each day, even 200 games will look very different from yesterday's 200 games due to good decks losing HP, and people putting up new decks that may or may not be good.

[twixy10]

I think that this gives people idea's over what decks COULD work. And it should not have a too serious approach because you can never be sure enough about the stats. and furthermore, when a deck is posted and liked, the new persons playing with that deck should post there statistics. If 1 deck (VNG for examp) is played bye 5 people you have a large sample in a relative short time.

[Rember]

:words:

Even 200 games has proven to not be enough in ai3/fg studies. Considering arena is more varied than either of those you'd probably need 10,000, and even then it'd be subject to popularity trends and the like, the best we can hope for is a general picture.

[furballdn]

Unupped bronze farmer.

Huh. I decided to try this out. Goodness. My first farming experience. Took over an hour.

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It's Ubah Stompy with an upgraded fog shield that I found. The upgraded fog shield doesn't make much difference, since I played it when I had 2 air quanta anyways.

Win rate: 31/50 62%
I expected this be higher, but with all the mono aether and fire shields and wings and maxwells, this wasn't that easy.
Electrum earned: 462
Electrum profit: 198
Score gain: 120
Cards gained: momentum, photon, chimera, skeleton, cloak, dimensional shield, phase dragon, reverse time, amethyst dragon, forest scorpion, antimatter
Rare spins: arsenic

Improvements for this deck if you want to use it is maybe add a deflag or something. Get rid off annoying permanents.