[OUTDATED] FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[Jangoo]

Kind of Sevs.

Here are the reasons behind this:

The actual only reason is that stats taken by the deck-creator himself were not taken into consideration for posting in the OPs for hopefully obvious reasons.
As such, Sevs stat-posting is more of a "Hey look what I can do with my deck. You guys should really have this tested!"
The only other deck where this came into practical consideration was upped LAM: ggabriels really awesome stats are not part of the top-post-listings either but surely triggered further testing by others ...

Then there is the skip-policy, true.
Sev submitted the deck-stats with some pretty straight skipping already; god-based and perhaps also during the course of other (lost) games upon personal judgement.
Then again, the whole skip-policy has quickly become a somewhat blurred line anyways albeit clear god-based skips (as Sevs has done them for quanta-controlling gods with Instosis) was only done for DG with the Antimatter-decks as far as I remember. If the stats had been done by somebody other than Sev, they would at least be included in the skip-stat list despite perhaps having a slight advantage from skipping "probably lost games" too.

As for number of games, the unofficial bare minimum to qualify for posting has somehow become 150 games, I guess because if somebody even started taking stats, 150 games was the number of games they felt should be submitted. There are two decks (more at the bottom of the rankings) that got entered with 142 and 122 games so that the work put in wasn't for nothing.

So what it would take for Instosis to get officially added to the list is:
150+ games, by somebody other than Sev (preferably two players), while adhering to the skip-policy in the OP

[Jenkar]

Stats (non-nova version)

deck	Splat
players	Jenkar

version	1.29		win-rate	52,57%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	54,91%
games	175		Score/h	988
win-loss-(EM)	92-83-(0)		Score/h (n)	1059
time (h:m:s)	08:13:53		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	5190
min/game	02:49		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	5444

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
3203    2934    1212    980    2113    143    359    -111    805    -1310    -926    1773    1526    1305       2267    -781    2284    1872    -528    1202    771    1472    175    2492    672    1088    895    79    849	11272    11946    5713    6852    9304    1726    4479    1701    5221    -1310    -926    7497    5858    5553       8364    -781    9092    8595    -528    4704    4789    8478    3732    7878    5438    4817    3483    3393    6307	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	4    5    4    4    4     2    4    1    4            2    2    6    5        6    6        2    8    5    2    3    2    6    1    2    2	1         3     2           7     6     3     4     7     5     1     1     5     1     5             7     3     5     1     4         1     3     2     5     1

http://www.mediafire.com/?464mqb9i80s24ib

I think this fits here. Next up is Instosis, am at 50 games atm.

[suxerz]

Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?

[Jenkar]

Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?

Wups. Yeah, i put priority on money won rather than score. Hence, more than 100hp ems put in normal column.

[Jenkar]

Instosish.

deck	Instosis
players	Jenkar

version	1.293		win-rate	61,4%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	61,36%
games	285		Score/h	900
win-loss-(EM)	175-110-(7)		Score/h (n)	895
time (h:m:s)	11:27:35		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	6660
min/game	02:25		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	6623

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
1000    294    -295    752    1536    928    -386    1940    320    1507    1605    1577    960    344       -717    1105    -800    1522    1575    128    1312    447    73    1671    1600    -359    575    1200    1296	7714    4041    2872    5917    8837    6924    1506    10478    4701    9291    9643    9745    6580    4477       525    7699    -800    8710    9415    3941    8166    5078    3527    9346    9508    1063    5421    7846    8568	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	5    4    2    6    10     8    3    10    2    10    10    7    8    4    1    7        10    11    3    6    3    1    8    12    1    7    9    7	3     6     7     10           5     15         3     1             3     5     10     3     8         2     6     1     4     2             6     7     1     2		4            1            1                                                                  1

http://www.mediafire.com/?lm3vd0574awopi4

With the skip procedure :

deck	Instosis
players	Jenkar

version	1.293		win-rate	57,54%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	57,84%
games	285		Score/h	977
win-loss-(EM)	164-121-(7)		Score/h (n)	969
time (h:m:s)	09:22:29		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	7577
min/game	01:58		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	7486

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
1000    -108000    -108000    752    1536    928    -108000    1940    320    1507    1605    1577    960    344       -108000    1105    -108000    1522    1575    128    1312    447    73    1671    1600    -108000    575    1200    1296	7714    -108000    -108000    5917    8837    6924    -108000    10478    4701    9291    9643    9745    6580    4477       -108000    7699    -108000    8710    9415    3941    8166    5078    3527    9346    9508    -108000    5421    7846    8568	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	5            6    10     8        10    2    10    10    7    8    4        7        10    11    3    6    3    1    8    12        7    9    7	3             10           5             3     1             3     5         3             2     6     1     4     2                 7     1     2	10    9                18                                11        8                                    7	4            1            1                                                                  1

[mwaetht]

You got THAT many losses against Morte and Chaos Lord? Ouch...

[Jenkar]

Yeah. Morte can be very offensive with quick damage, arsenic and poison. Chaos lord has a multitude of problems (discord + PC)
On a side note, decay's worth it imo.

[Sevs]

  huh thanks for doing stats Jenkar. But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?

Yea i have been noticing my luck with decay has changed a little bit it goes through phases where it always takes entropy or it never takes entropy.

[Jenkar]

huh thanks for doing stats Jenkar. But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?

Yea i have been noticing my luck with decay has changed a little bit it goes through phases where it always takes entropy or it never takes entropy.

My main difference is jezebel, only god i didn't win vs. You always won vs her

[Jangoo]

Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?

No, considering the actual ingame-values it can't. 
EM is defined as: 100HP = 120 electrum = 120 score

Wups. Yeah, i put priority on money won rather than score. Hence, more than 100hp ems put in normal column.

Hehehe, yes you can do that and all the money-stats will work just fine.

The downsides are:

- All the score-stats will show up higher than they actually were ingame
-> They would be up to 20% lower for each individual EM played
-> E.g., if your overall EM-rate was 50%, all your scorestats should be up to 10% lower

- The "HPs left"-column on the third sheet gets completely screwed over
-> The statmasta will assume all that electrum entered in Input-column 5 is coming from awesomely high HPs left
(e.g. If you enter a regular 100HP-EM as 120 electrum in the no-EM-column, the statmasta will think you won with 350HPs left ...)
-> There is no telling what you actually played. Then again, it's just a funky sidestat anyways ...

Now I don't really remember the ingame-values for EMs > 100HP ...
100HP gives you 120score, 200HP gives you what? ... 160 score?

Instosish.

deck	Instosis
players	Jenkar

version	1.293		win-rate	61,4%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	61,36%
games	285		Score/h	900
win-loss-(EM)	175-110-(7)		Score/h (n)	895
time (h:m:s)	11:27:35		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	6660
min/game	02:25		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	6623

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
1000    294    -295    752    1536    928    -386    1940    320    1507    1605    1577    960    344       -717    1105    -800    1522    1575    128    1312    447    73    1671    1600    -359    575    1200    1296	7714    4041    2872    5917    8837    6924    1506    10478    4701    9291    9643    9745    6580    4477       525    7699    -800    8710    9415    3941    8166    5078    3527    9346    9508    1063    5421    7846    8568	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	5    4    2    6    10     8    3    10    2    10    10    7    8    4    1    7        10    11    3    6    3    1    8    12    1    7    9    7	3     6     7     10           5     15         3     1             3     5     10     3     8         2     6     1     4     2             6     7     1     2		4            1            1                                                                  1

http://www.mediafire.com/?lm3vd0574awopi4

With the skip procedure :

deck	Instosis
players	Jenkar

version	1.293		win-rate	57,54%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	57,84%
games	285		Score/h	977
win-loss-(EM)	164-121-(7)		Score/h (n)	969
time (h:m:s)	09:22:29		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	7577
min/game	01:58		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	7486

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
1000    -108000    -108000    752    1536    928    -108000    1940    320    1507    1605    1577    960    344       -108000    1105    -108000    1522    1575    128    1312    447    73    1671    1600    -108000    575    1200    1296	7714    -108000    -108000    5917    8837    6924    -108000    10478    4701    9291    9643    9745    6580    4477       -108000    7699    -108000    8710    9415    3941    8166    5078    3527    9346    9508    -108000    5421    7846    8568	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	5            6    10     8        10    2    10    10    7    8    4        7        10    11    3    6    3    1    8    12        7    9    7	3             10           5             3     1             3     5         3             2     6     1     4     2                 7     1     2	10    9                18                                11        8                                    7	4            1            1                                                                  1

Jenkar, you were using the 4000-edition for this?
I'd recommend transferring the data to the realistic realtec-edition ... The difference will be vast!

But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?

The difference is: 
Sevs = realtec = up to date and shiny happy
Jenkar = 4000 = outdated and dull

Keep in mind, that 4000 assumes a card-spin-rate of 35% for each FG whereas realtec has the realistic spin-rates broken down for each god individually ... With a deck like this, which plays well against cashcows such as DG (68%), Akebono (59%), even EternalPh (56%), this makes an especially huge difference!

[Jenkar]

deck	Instosis
players	Jenkar

version	1.293		win-rate	61,4%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	61,36%
games	285		Score/h	900
win-loss-(EM)	175-110-(7)		Score/h (n)	895
time (h:m:s)	11:27:35		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	8857
min/game	02:25		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	8865

      Statmasta™realtec                                                               

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™realtec	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
1000    294    -295    752    1536    928    -386    1940    320    1507    1605    1577    960    344       -717    1105    -800    1522    1575    128    1312    447    73    1671    1600    -359    575    1200    1296	12610    4466    3483    9913    11031    12967    1656    11088    7573    11554    13590    13465    8639    6990       688    10412    -800    11451    10075    4276    10719    6957    6159    14606    12726    1111    5651    9279    11548	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	5    4    2    6    10     8    3    10    2    10    10    7    8    4    1    7        10    11    3    6    3    1    8    12    1    7    9    7	3     6     7     10           5     15         3     1             3     5     10     3     8         2     6     1     4     2             6     7     1     2		4            1            1                                                                  1

Realteched~
Sorry for being such a newb at following stuff
http://www.mediafire.com/?dkxg0eeai62txqq

[willng3]

Keep in mind, that 4000 assumes a card-spin-rate of 35% for each FG whereas realtec has the realistic spin-rates broken down for each god individually ... With a deck like this, which plays well against cashcows such as DG (68%), Akebono (59%), even EternalPh (56%), this makes an especially huge difference!

Yeah...I realized this the other day when following your FGei explanation thread.  Felt pretty stupid after I figured out where I was screwing up my calculations.