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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg433325#msg433325
« Reply #372 on: December 01, 2011, 01:45:51 pm »

Kind of Sevs.

Here are the reasons behind this:

The actual only reason is that stats taken by the deck-creator himself were not taken into consideration for posting in the OPs for hopefully obvious reasons.
As such, Sevs stat-posting is more of a "Hey look what I can do with my deck. You guys should really have this tested!"
The only other deck where this came into practical consideration was upped LAM: ggabriels really awesome stats are not part of the top-post-listings either but surely triggered further testing by others ...

Then there is the skip-policy, true.
Sev submitted the deck-stats with some pretty straight skipping already; god-based and perhaps also during the course of other (lost) games upon personal judgement.
Then again, the whole skip-policy has quickly become a somewhat blurred line anyways albeit clear god-based skips (as Sevs has done them for quanta-controlling gods with Instosis) was only done for DG with the Antimatter-decks as far as I remember. If the stats had been done by somebody other than Sev, they would at least be included in the skip-stat list despite perhaps having a slight advantage from skipping "probably lost games" too.

As for number of games, the unofficial bare minimum to qualify for posting has somehow become 150 games, I guess because if somebody even started taking stats, 150 games was the number of games they felt should be submitted. There are two decks (more at the bottom of the rankings) that got entered with 142 and 122 games so that the work put in wasn't for nothing.

So what it would take for Instosis to get officially added to the list is:
150+ games, by somebody other than Sev (preferably two players), while adhering to the skip-policy in the OP



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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg449279#msg449279
« Reply #373 on: January 15, 2012, 05:14:55 pm »
Stats (non-nova version)

  deck     Splat   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.29 
  win-rate     52,57%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     54,91%   
  games    175 
  Score/h     988   
  win-loss-(EM)     92-83-(0)   
  Score/h (n)    1059   
  time (h:m:s)     08:13:53   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  5190   
  min/game     02:49   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  5444   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   3203
   2934
   1212
   980
   2113
   143
   359
   -111
   805
   -1310
   -926
   1773
   1526
   1305   
   2267
   -781
   2284
   1872
   -528
   1202
   771
   1472
   175
   2492
   672
   1088
   895
   79
   849
   11272
   11946
   5713
   6852
   9304
   1726
   4479
   1701
   5221
   -1310
   -926
   7497
   5858
   5553   
   8364
   -781
   9092
   8595
   -528
   4704
   4789
   8478
   3732
   7878
   5438
   4817
   3483
   3393
   6307
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
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http://www.mediafire.com/?464mqb9i80s24ib

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg449463#msg449463
« Reply #374 on: January 16, 2012, 04:26:36 am »
Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg449471#msg449471
« Reply #375 on: January 16, 2012, 05:05:55 am »
Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg451831#msg451831
« Reply #376 on: January 23, 2012, 01:33:27 pm »
Instosish.

  deck     Instosis   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.293 
  win-rate     61,4%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     61,36%   
  games    285 
  Score/h     900   
  win-loss-(EM)     175-110-(7)   
  Score/h (n)    895   
  time (h:m:s)     11:27:35   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  6660   
  min/game     02:25   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  6623   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1000
   294
   -295
   752
   1536
   928
   -386
   1940
   320
   1507
   1605
   1577
   960
   344   
   -717
   1105
   -800
   1522
   1575
   128
   1312
   447
   73
   1671
   1600
   -359
   575
   1200
   1296
   7714
   4041
   2872
   5917
   8837
   6924
   1506
   10478
   4701
   9291
   9643
   9745
   6580
   4477   
   525
   7699
   -800
   8710
   9415
   3941
   8166
   5078
   3527
   9346
   9508
   1063
   5421
   7846
   8568
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   5
   4
   2
   6
   10 
   8
   3
   10
   2
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http://www.mediafire.com/?lm3vd0574awopi4

With the skip procedure :
  deck     Instosis   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.293 
  win-rate     57,54%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     57,84%   
  games    285 
  Score/h     977   
  win-loss-(EM)     164-121-(7)   
  Score/h (n)    969   
  time (h:m:s)     09:22:29   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  7577   
  min/game     01:58   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  7486   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1000
   -108000
   -108000
   752
   1536
   928
   -108000
   1940
   320
   1507
   1605
   1577
   960
   344   
   -108000
   1105
   -108000
   1522
   1575
   128
   1312
   447
   73
   1671
   1600
   -108000
   575
   1200
   1296
   7714
   -108000
   -108000
   5917
   8837
   6924
   -108000
   10478
   4701
   9291
   9643
   9745
   6580
   4477   
   -108000
   7699
   -108000
   8710
   9415
   3941
   8166
   5078
   3527
   9346
   9508
   -108000
   5421
   7846
   8568
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   5
   
   
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452070#msg452070
« Reply #377 on: January 23, 2012, 11:01:08 pm »
You got THAT many losses against Morte and Chaos Lord? Ouch...

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452077#msg452077
« Reply #378 on: January 23, 2012, 11:09:23 pm »
Yeah. Morte can be very offensive with quick damage, arsenic and poison. Chaos lord has a multitude of problems (discord + PC)
On a side note, decay's worth it imo.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452117#msg452117
« Reply #379 on: January 24, 2012, 12:47:10 am »
 :-\ huh thanks for doing stats Jenkar. But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?

Yea i have been noticing my luck with decay has changed a little bit it goes through phases where it always takes entropy or it never takes entropy.


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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452238#msg452238
« Reply #380 on: January 24, 2012, 09:14:16 am »
:-\ huh thanks for doing stats Jenkar. But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?

Yea i have been noticing my luck with decay has changed a little bit it goes through phases where it always takes entropy or it never takes entropy.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452244#msg452244
« Reply #381 on: January 24, 2012, 10:21:59 am »

Not entirely familiar on Statmasta or how you guys generally do the tests, but why there's not a single EM using SPlat? Also, I'm wondering if the Statmasta is capable of calculating the profit using a deck with >100HP EM (e.g. SPlat)?
No, considering the actual ingame-values it can't. 
EM is defined as: 100HP = 120 electrum = 120 score

Wups. Yeah, i put priority on money won rather than score. Hence, more than 100hp ems put in normal column.
Hehehe, yes you can do that and all the money-stats will work just fine.

The downsides are:

- All the score-stats will show up higher than they actually were ingame
-> They would be up to 20% lower for each individual EM played
-> E.g., if your overall EM-rate was 50%, all your scorestats should be up to 10% lower

- The "HPs left"-column on the third sheet gets completely screwed over
-> The statmasta will assume all that electrum entered in Input-column 5 is coming from awesomely high HPs left
(e.g. If you enter a regular 100HP-EM as 120 electrum in the no-EM-column, the statmasta will think you won with 350HPs left ...)
-> There is no telling what you actually played. Then again, it's just a funky sidestat anyways ...

Now I don't really remember the ingame-values for EMs > 100HP ...
100HP gives you 120score, 200HP gives you what? ... 160 score?


Instosish.

  deck     Instosis   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.293 
  win-rate     61,4%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     61,36%   
  games    285 
  Score/h     900   
  win-loss-(EM)     175-110-(7)   
  Score/h (n)    895   
  time (h:m:s)     11:27:35   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  6660   
  min/game     02:25   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  6623   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1000
   294
   -295
   752
   1536
   928
   -386
   1940
   320
   1507
   1605
   1577
   960
   344   
   -717
   1105
   -800
   1522
   1575
   128
   1312
   447
   73
   1671
   1600
   -359
   575
   1200
   1296
   7714
   4041
   2872
   5917
   8837
   6924
   1506
   10478
   4701
   9291
   9643
   9745
   6580
   4477   
   525
   7699
   -800
   8710
   9415
   3941
   8166
   5078
   3527
   9346
   9508
   1063
   5421
   7846
   8568
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   5
   4
   2
   6
   10 
   8
   3
   10
   2
   10
   10
   7
   8
   4
   1
   7
   
   10
   11
   3
   6
   3
   1
   8
   12
   1
   7
   9
   7
    3
    6
    7
    10
     
    5
    15
   
    3
    1
   
   
    3
    5
    10
    3
    8
   
    2
    6
    1
    4
    2
   
   
    6
    7
    1
    2
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
     
     
     
     4
     
     1
     
     1
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     1
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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With the skip procedure :
  deck     Instosis   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.293 
  win-rate     57,54%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     57,84%   
  games    285 
  Score/h     977   
  win-loss-(EM)     164-121-(7)   
  Score/h (n)    969   
  time (h:m:s)     09:22:29   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  7577   
  min/game     01:58   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  7486   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1000
   -108000
   -108000
   752
   1536
   928
   -108000
   1940
   320
   1507
   1605
   1577
   960
   344   
   -108000
   1105
   -108000
   1522
   1575
   128
   1312
   447
   73
   1671
   1600
   -108000
   575
   1200
   1296
   7714
   -108000
   -108000
   5917
   8837
   6924
   -108000
   10478
   4701
   9291
   9643
   9745
   6580
   4477   
   -108000
   7699
   -108000
   8710
   9415
   3941
   8166
   5078
   3527
   9346
   9508
   -108000
   5421
   7846
   8568
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   5
   
   
   6
   10 
   8
   
   10
   2
   10
   10
   7
   8
   4
   
   7
   
   10
   11
   3
   6
   3
   1
   8
   12
   
   7
   9
   7
    3
   
   
    10
     
    5
   
   
    3
    1
   
   
    3
    5
   
    3
   
   
    2
    6
    1
    4
    2
   
   
   
    7
    1
    2
   
   10
   9
   
   
   
   18
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   11
   
   8
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   7
   
   
   
     
     
     
     4
     
     1
     
     1
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     1
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

Jenkar, you were using the 4000-edition for this?
I'd recommend transferring the data to the realistic realtec-edition ... The difference will be vast!


But i am little confused. On gods that we are both undefeated against say Destiny, Gemini, Lionheart. On the stats i have they generally say over 12k, but on yours they say ~8-9k. We have pretty much the same average game time length, what do you think the difference is?
The difference is: 
Sevs = realtec = up to date and shiny happy
Jenkar = 4000 = outdated and dull

Keep in mind, that 4000 assumes a card-spin-rate of 35% for each FG whereas realtec has the realistic spin-rates broken down for each god individually ... With a deck like this, which plays well against cashcows such as DG (68%), Akebono (59%), even EternalPh (56%), this makes an especially huge difference!


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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452245#msg452245
« Reply #382 on: January 24, 2012, 10:35:04 am »
  deck     Instosis   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.293 
  win-rate     61,4%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     61,36%   
  games    285 
  Score/h     900   
  win-loss-(EM)     175-110-(7)   
  Score/h (n)    895   
  time (h:m:s)     11:27:35   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  8857   
  min/game     02:25   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  8865   
      Statmasta™realtec                                                               

  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™realtec    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1000
   294
   -295
   752
   1536
   928
   -386
   1940
   320
   1507
   1605
   1577
   960
   344   
   -717
   1105
   -800
   1522
   1575
   128
   1312
   447
   73
   1671
   1600
   -359
   575
   1200
   1296
   12610
   4466
   3483
   9913
   11031
   12967
   1656
   11088
   7573
   11554
   13590
   13465
   8639
   6990   
   688
   10412
   -800
   11451
   10075
   4276
   10719
   6957
   6159
   14606
   12726
   1111
   5651
   9279
   11548
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   5
   4
   2
   6
   10 
   8
   3
   10
   2
   10
   10
   7
   8
   4
   1
   7
   
   10
   11
   3
   6
   3
   1
   8
   12
   1
   7
   9
   7
    3
    6
    7
    10
     
    5
    15
   
    3
    1
   
   
    3
    5
    10
    3
    8
   
    2
    6
    1
    4
    2
   
   
    6
    7
    1
    2
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
     
     
     
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg452288#msg452288
« Reply #383 on: January 24, 2012, 03:18:38 pm »
Keep in mind, that 4000 assumes a card-spin-rate of 35% for each FG whereas realtec has the realistic spin-rates broken down for each god individually ... With a deck like this, which plays well against cashcows such as DG (68%), Akebono (59%), even EternalPh (56%), this makes an especially huge difference!
Yeah...I realized this the other day when following your FGei explanation thread.  Felt pretty stupid after I figured out where I was screwing up my calculations.
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