[OUTDATED] FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[Onizuka]

Preliminary data, go!

deck	Flay 'EM
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	26%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	100		Score/h	-3
win-loss-(EM)	26-74-(1)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	05:20:17		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	1834
min/game	03:12		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

[Essence]

Wow -- almost 2k FGei from an unupped deck --not bad!

[Found2]

deck	I've  GotP time
players	Found2

version	1.27		win-rate	62,14%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	103		Score/h	573
win-loss-(EM)	64-39-(52)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	10:35:55		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	2991
min/game	06:10		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      
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score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
727    413    536    -439    965    1770    -13    920    876    791    1041    1057    468    965       495    989    -338    741    623    473    955    -592    n.a.    609    893    -124    -41    377    943	3779    2648    2956    -439    4228    7761    1185    4033    4263    3710    4563    4634    2543    5042       2733    4333    -338    3249    3153    2940    4186    -592    n.a.    3147    3912    437    1133    2006    5065	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	6    2    2    0    7     1    1    2    2    3    3    3    3    1    2    1    0    4    3    2    3    0    0    3    3    1    1    3    2	3     3     2     3     0      0     3     0     1     1     0     0     2     0     1     0     2     0     2     1     0     2     0     1     0     7     3     1     1	0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0	4      2      2      0      7      1      0      2      2      3      3      3      2      0      1      1      0      4      3      0      3      0      0      2      3      1      0      2      1

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So here is my statistics of I've GotP time. I'm surprised that it is so good. I will continue to see if it was just luck... On the other hand I know the deck very well because I've used it quite a lot. I think it can be played a bit faster because I'm used to wait at the end when I'm sure that I'll win until I can get an EM. Don't know it the score/h rate will increase or not if you don't do that but that's my style to handle this deck...

[parasite99]

I also farm some times with I' ve GotP Time and games don't take 6mins with it. It's faster than that. Minutes per game should be at 3mins+. It's a fast deck and you can Fractal many times before you have 2-3 Eternities on field. I think this test results clearly unerestimate one of the best decks out there.

[Found2]

That's why I said I often wait for EM possible. Like that I have an EM rate of over 80%. The deck can be played faster but will the score/h rate decrease or increase then? If I'm right 573 is (so far) the highest value reported....

[parasite99]

People don't care so much about score/h when playing vs FGs. They can farm AI3 with much better results for score. FGei is the most important stat and when you play 6min games that decreases rapidly, because you don't spin that often. I didn't want to offend you, but as you said you tried the deck going for max score/h while here they study each deck's FGei. That's the reason I would suggest someone tests GotP while playing faster games (and >200) so we can see what it's real value is. I allways thought it's one of the best FG grinding decks cause even if it's huge (50+ cards) it can draw like crazy and fractal asap vs some gods. I'm sure it can be in the top 3 with a winrate of 65%+ and EM's if someone would play it fast. My games are usually around 3mins - max 4. I hope 10men or noobiecakes could try it, since they made the deck and are more familiar with it (or maybe someone else who is familiar with the deck and has 3-4min games mostly).
I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I think trying to get max score burries this deck's FGei.

[Found2]

People don't care so much about score/h when playing vs FGs. They can farm AI3 with much better results for score. FGei is the most important stat and when you play 6min games that decreases rapidly, because you don't spin that often. I didn't want to offend you, but as you said you tried the deck going for max score/h while here they study each deck's FGei. That's the reason I would suggest someone tests GotP while playing faster games (and >200) so we can see what it's real value is. I allways thought it's one of the best FG grinding decks cause even if it's huge (50+ cards) it can draw like crazy and fractal asap vs some gods. I'm sure it can be in the top 3 with a winrate of 65%+ and EM's if someone would play it fast. My games are usually around 3mins - max 4. I hope 10men or noobiecakes could try it, since they made the deck and are more familiar with it (or maybe someone else who is familiar with the deck and has 3-4min games mostly).
I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I think trying to get max score burries this deck's FGei.

You don't sound harsh. I just mentioned that I play this deck in that "slow way" that everyone can interpret my values correctly. I asked kirchj33 at the beginning of my data collection how I should do it - speed or EMs. But I got no answer. Maybe he was too busy (doesn't matter..). In the introduction nothing is mentioned (as far as I understand it correctly) how to play the decks. If you/the rest of the community is more interesed what the values are when it's played as fast as possible I'll do that of course. Just tell me...

One thing I have to notice in the end: Don't think neighter only because I'm not very active in the forum I'm also not in the game nor I'm not fammiliar with the deck - I made the last approx 42 000 of my 122 000 scores with the I've GotP time deck. I think that qualiyfies me enough, doesn't it?

[kirchj33]

People don't care so much about score/h when playing vs FGs. They can farm AI3 with much better results for score. FGei is the most important stat and when you play 6min games that decreases rapidly, because you don't spin that often. I didn't want to offend you, but as you said you tried the deck going for max score/h while here they study each deck's FGei. That's the reason I would suggest someone tests GotP while playing faster games (and >200) so we can see what it's real value is. I allways thought it's one of the best FG grinding decks cause even if it's huge (50+ cards) it can draw like crazy and fractal asap vs some gods. I'm sure it can be in the top 3 with a winrate of 65%+ and EM's if someone would play it fast. My games are usually around 3mins - max 4. I hope 10men or noobiecakes could try it, since they made the deck and are more familiar with it (or maybe someone else who is familiar with the deck and has 3-4min games mostly).
I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I think trying to get max score burries this deck's FGei.

I can assure you that I have spoken with Found in the past and he/she is VERY experienced with the deck.  I am also very comfortable with the stats produced so far.  I took 100 games earlier as a sample for the deck, and had similar results, not only for FGei, but for min/game and score/hr as well.  I will do my best to get mine posted and merged within the next couple of weeks. 10 men/Noobie took extensive stats as posted on the deck site, but just not in terms of score/hr, FGei, or min/game.

[parasite99]

Ok if both of you have tried it and say so...PEACE

(I still don't play 6min games with it though)

[Higurashi]

Have you ever actually timed yourself? It sounds like you're just guesstimating. Come back with stats if you wish to dispute it.
Some games are extremely long, whereas some are smooth sailing. An average of 6:10 seems fast, and I've played IGT a lot.

[Found2]

Have you ever actually timed yourself? It sounds like you're just guesstimating. Come back with stats if you wish to dispute it.
Some games are extremely long, whereas some are smooth sailing. An average of 6:10 seems fast, and I've played IGT a lot.

Ok if both of you have tried it and say so...PEACE

(I still don't play 6min games with it though)

I agree with you both. I would say that it IGT deck can be played faster, but from my feeling it will help maybe max 3 maybe 4 turns. And if you've locked your opponent out these few turns don't take much time (and only if I was able to lock the FG I allow myself the luxury of waiting for victory).
I'll continue the collection of the data until I made 200 games and then we'll have a better overview and kirchJ can see if he can merge the data...

@kirch and all the other organisers of these statistics: By the way thank you for all the work you invest in gathering and providing the data here...

[gumbeh]

Win Rate (n) = 17.02%,   Score/hr (n) = -274

It's a relief to see data matching my experience with the Fire Lance deck. Everyone on Kong was braying its praises a few months back and I lost a good chunk of electrum trying to see what all the fuss was about.