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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg350820#msg350820
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2011, 11:01:58 pm »
Updated my original post.  And yes, while trying to find Neptune again I won 28 of 41 matches, bringing my win rate for 38% to 43%.  It was partially better matchups, but really I was drawing Lobos early when it counted.  If I was going to run this deck for farm, I'd put a 3rd Electrocutor in even if that put me at 31 cards.  Having one in the top 10 cards makes all the difference in half the matchups.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg351708#msg351708
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2011, 02:57:27 pm »
Ran the games myself for Polari's deck: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23368.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23368.0.html)

Took me a while to get 3 matches with Neptune, which is why I am so far over 200 games.  Also, I want to point out that this deck has a very unique kind of rhythm vs some of the FGs.  I was at 30% win rate after 100 games, and when I ended it was 44%.  So I have no doubt that this deck gets 45% (which Polari had at 300 games https://spreadsheets0.google.com/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGFiUzNLRjNEZGVhMk5kalJBc3c1N1E&output=html (https://spreadsheets0.google.com/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGFiUzNLRjNEZGVhMk5kalJBc3c1N1E&output=html)) if you have a good feel for when to play shields, SoGs, or Dragons vs the different FGs.  But since he didn't use StatsMasta...

  deck     Mono Aether FG Farmer   
  players     CCCombobreaker   
  version    1.27 
  win-rate     43.57%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     44.4%   
  games    241 
  Score/h     503   
  win-loss-(EM)     105-136-(53)   
  Score/h (n)    535   
  time (h:m:s)     13:04:30   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3644   
  min/game     03:15   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3804   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

"
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   197
   -691
   1220
   -243
   1821
   -693
   895
   0
   -297
   -731
   1164
   282
   -524
   -373   
   488
   970
   -94
   1696
   465
   912
   1988
   250
   313
   1110
   1008
   -652
   776
   141
   1191
   2869
   -691
   6341
   1268
   8640
   -693
   5246
   1822
   1811
   -731
   6036
   2651
   182
   807   
   4678
   4975
   1481
   7433
   2682
   5319
   8713
   3281
   3997
   5400
   5314
   -652
   5237
   1720
   7111
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   1
   
   8
   2
   14 
   
   4
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Also, as instructed I stuck out every match that even had a slight chance of winning, but you could definitely get a little faster by jumping out against some FGs when it sucks (which is usually not getting a Lobo by turn 5 against FireQueen, Osiris, or Gemini).  And having these stats, I can say which FGs are worth skipping, which would also save anyone else wants to run this some time.


*note, I tried to upload the spreadsheet as an attachment but it said it took too long or was to big or something
** note, I used the links you so helpfully provided to upload it: http://www.mediafire.com/?gr0lfgvg5if0k18
Really good information, thanks!  Its good to see people in the community supporting other solid decks and backing it up with statistics instead of "this works good".  I am discussing with Jangoo about how to integrate this work into the original study.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg352076#msg352076
« Reply #74 on: June 16, 2011, 02:25:01 am »

Well ... hit a somewhat unlucky streak towards the end and the win-rate came crashing down from 55%.
Other than that, amazing gameplay  :D:


  deck     CCYB (slim w/ PA)   
  players     Jangoo   
  version    1.27 
  win-rate     50%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     n.a.   
  games    100 
  Score/h     478   
  win-loss-(EM)     50-50-(13)   
  Score/h (n)    n.a.   
  time (h:m:s)     06:33:59   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3400   
  min/game     03:56   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  n.a.   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

"
  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   -815
   -1095
   908
   796
   1527
   -956
   -607
   -571
   -977
   553
   360
   799
   110
   1228   
   158
   775
   -85
   599
   635
   441
   1217
   838
   956
   414
   1040
   -17
   -553
   1204
   -783
   -815
   -1095
   4920
   4274
   6691
   -956
   -607
   -571
   -977
   4078
   3064
   5092
   2554
   6964   
   2409
   4215
   642
   3357
   4000
   3296
   6025
   5183
   5317
   3294
   5735
   1621
   -553
   6638
   -783
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   
   
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.xls-FILE (https://rapidshare.com/files/1707172209/CCYBslim_Jangoo.xls)

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg352273#msg352273
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2011, 03:18:56 pm »
Some bookkeeping notes:

    Added Polari's deck w/ stats from CCCArranged decks with preliminary data in order of FGei for those that have reached cumulative normalized data thanks to help from JangooData will be teased out for skips for a skip-related FGei once the study is closer to being completeAdded suggested decks for future additions, now would be an appropriate time to begin discussion for future decks as people are finishing testing on the current decks

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353587#msg353587
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2011, 02:12:17 pm »
In case it hasn't been mentioned, this is the updated LS/AM: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17730
All pends makes it much more reliable.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353616#msg353616
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2011, 03:58:13 pm »
In case it hasn't been mentioned, this is the updated LS/AM: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17730
All pends makes it much more reliable.
Thanks.  I will update the deck as no person has claimed to be testing it yet.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353782#msg353782
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2011, 10:59:06 pm »
200 games, soon will be 300.

Figured I'd post it, since I finally got a game against Neptune (exactly 200 :))


  deck     Turbo Speed False God Farming   
  players     Onizuka   
  version    1.27 
  win-rate     44%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     n.a.   
  games    200 
  Score/h     456   
  win-loss-(EM)     88-112-(21)   
  Score/h (n)    n.a.   
  time (h:m:s)     09:49:39   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3887   
  min/game     02:57   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  n.a.   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      


  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   -463
   546
   281
   -200
   1694
   1783
   1069
   996
   -394
   -324
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   167
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   -113   
   -606
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   129
   1042
   535
   -848
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   -1421
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   -428
   634
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   1023
   965
   4196
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   9276
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   384
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   -817
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   1523
   3914
   1834
   4915
   3834
   -848
   -292
   -977
   -1421
   6876
   4931
   -428
   5604
   3419
   7128
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353786#msg353786
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2011, 11:02:14 pm »
Holy FGei, Batman.  :o
Gotta ask though, why 6 Fractals?
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353796#msg353796
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2011, 11:54:06 pm »
@Oni, wow that's some aweful luck.  Keep up the good work!

@Higs, I just modded the original deck by Seravy to update it a little.  I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares to some of the other rollyhopers.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353799#msg353799
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2011, 11:59:26 pm »
That's pretty much why I asked. No modern RoL/Hope decks use 6 Fractals, since 4-5 is better. So.. I dunno about "updated".
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353801#msg353801
« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2011, 12:07:38 am »
That's pretty much why I asked. No modern RoL/Hope decks use 6 Fractals, since 4-5 is better. So.. I dunno about "updated".
Hence, the "little bit" part.  I am trying my best to keep the decks true to their original forms at this point before we get into variants.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg353803#msg353803
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2011, 12:13:22 am »
I don't think you could be more wrong, in that case. Adding SoG's changes it a LOT more than removing one Fractal. Main reason for this being that with 3 Electrocutors and only 8 quanta sources, it's slowed down significantly in the early game by SoG's.
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