[OUTDATED] FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[kirchj33]

Can anyone test: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23368.0.html
or should I just do it and post results?

I could certainly add this to the list of decks to test after we finish the initial round with the current decks posted.  I think we are considering Napalm's RoL/Hopesaders & perhaps an unupped Shakar's by RootRanger if I can track that deck down.

[RootRanger]

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55t 55t 595 595 595 595 595 595 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5v0 5v0 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61rI never posted it because it didn't do very well. It had a lower win percentage than liquid antimatter, but I only played 30 games with it and might have gotten unlucky.

[kirchj33]

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55t 55t 595 595 595 595 595 595 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5v0 5v0 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61rI never posted it because it didn't do very well. It had a lower win percentage than liquid antimatter, but I only played 30 games with it and might have gotten unlucky.

That should work pretty well in theory, although maybe -1 aether pillar -1 PU +1 doll +1 gpull?  The biggest problem with an unupped doll deck is that they take awhile to learn to play, and generally newer players aren't able to make the negative investment required.

[RootRanger]

Perhaps. The only reason I would use 4 PUs instead of 3 is because there is no hourglass to speed up the draws through the deck. But if 3 voodoos works best for you, go ahead and use it.

[zse]

I played little more to replace those 6 skipped games vs. Decay. New results:

deck	Voodoo Panic (modded)
players	zse

version	1.272		win-rate	45,5%
€ track ?	yeah		win-rate (n)	48,83%
games	200		Score/h	351
win-loss-[EM]	91-109-[8]		Score/h (n)	407
time (h:m:s)	11:54:33		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3244
min/game	03:34		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3461

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
434    56    -579    -98    -256    48    437    834    104    1288    -208    111    180    248       532    1274    422    633    581    888    1249    602    -315    -225    988    271    549    110    989	4063    2014    -579    1225    636    2307    3296    5219    2554    6994    783    2046    2256    2521       4291    6877    3347    4130    4243    6144    6922    4582    641    536    5795    2465    4694    2279    5947	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	3    3    0    1    1     3    2    6    2    5    1    3    3    2    3    6    4    2    3    6    5    8    1    1    6    3    4    1    3	3     7     11     5     6      7     2     1     4     1     5     6     4     3     3     0     4     1     2     2     0     5     7     8     2     5     3     2     0	0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0	0      0      0      1      0      0      0      0      0      2      0      0      0      0      1      1      0      0      0      0      0      0      0      1      1      1      0      0      0

File for updated results with tweaked Statmasta (http://www.mediafire.com/?zxy4iz9nm1knrp7)

Same data that I posted earlier, now with Statmasta™4000.

deck	Voodoo Panic (modded)
players	zse

version	1.272		win-rate	45%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	48,25%
games	200		Score/h	346
win-loss-(EM)	90-110-(7)		Score/h (n)	403
time (h:m:s)	11:38:16		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3272
min/game			FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3498

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%
min/game should be 3:29. (New OO-Statmasta won't count times.)

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
434    56    -579    -5063    -256    48    437    834    104    1288    -208    111    180    248       532    1274    422    633    581    888    1249    602    -315    -225    988    271    549    110    989	4063    2014    -579    -5063    636    2307    3296    5219    2554    6994    783    2046    2256    2521       4291    6877    3347    4130    4243    6144    6922    4582    641    536    5795    2465    4694    2279    5947	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	3    3            1     3    2    6    2    5    1    3    3    2    3    6    4    2    3    6    5    8    1    1    6    3    4    1    3	3     7     11         6      7     2     1     4     1     5     6     4     3     3         4     1     2     2         5     7     8     2     5     3     2	6	2                              1      1                                                1      1      1

http://www.mediafire.com/?fw85d6adu8x40t5

[Jangoo]

Same data that I posted earlier, now with Statmasta™4000.

Nice.

Can you please post a downloadlink for the file as well?

[kirchj33]

More data to go with zse's!

deck	Voodoo Panic (modded)
players	kirchj33

version	1.27		win-rate	47.33%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	47.84%
games	150		Score/h	401
win-loss-(EM)	71-79-(2)		Score/h (n)	405
time (h:m:s)	07:27:25		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3989
min/game	02:59		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3969

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

"

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
743    174    -827    -78    -703    907    -454    1268    608    -82    192    275    350    259       -31    826    1356    -426    1420    852    1235    998    -133    -671    1164    74    430    -325    486	5560    2551    -827    3009    -703    5920    1603    7523    5244    2126    2812    3440    3763    2923       2543    5821    7110    -426    9010    6281    7425    6265    1953    -671    7157    3004    3660    838    4250	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	3    2        2          2    1    5    3    1    2    3    2    2    2    6    5        3    6    3    4    1        6    2    2    1    2	2     3     5     6     5      1     5         2     3     3     4     2     3     5     2         3         2         1     3     4         4     2     6     3		1                                                                        1

"      
      
Rapidshare: Voodoo Panic (Modded) (https://rapidshare.com/files/30035701/Statmasta4000_-_Voodoo_Panic__Modded_.xls)

[kirchj33]

A few things....

4k electrum per hour is pretty beastly...

ALL TESTERS:  Please get your data submitted ASAP.  I understand these things take awhile but this is getting ridiculous...

Also, I will begin a heavy recruitment of more testers as soon as war is over.

[Jangoo]

ALL TESTERS:  Please get your data submitted ASAP.  I understand these things take awhile but this is getting ridiculous...

Also, I will begin a heavy recruitment of more testers as soon as war is over.

Ok, ok ... I'll wrap up those missing 30 games with CCYB asap. 



Note to anybody willing to test decks but who doesn't have MS-Excel:


The new  STATMASTA™4000 for open-office  is done and ready to go:

       
⇒  DOWNLOAD STATMASTA™4000  FOR OPEN OFFICE  (http://www.file-upload.net/download-3499074/Statmasta4000_OO.ods.html) ⇐

[Onizuka]

I finally got in 100 games with RoL/Hope.

deck	Turbo Speed False God Farming
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	44%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	100		Score/h	475
win-loss-(EM)	44-56-(12)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	04:51:49		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3950
min/game	02:55		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      


Never fought neptune..
Also, here's the sheet.

[CCCombobreaker]

Ran the games myself for Polari's deck: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23368.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23368.0.html)

Took me a while to get 3 matches with Neptune, which is why I am so far over 200 games.  Also, I want to point out that this deck has a very unique kind of rhythm vs some of the FGs.  I was at 30% win rate after 100 games, and when I ended it was 44%.  So I have no doubt that this deck gets 45% (which Polari had at 300 games https://spreadsheets0.google.com/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGFiUzNLRjNEZGVhMk5kalJBc3c1N1E&output=html (https://spreadsheets0.google.com/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGFiUzNLRjNEZGVhMk5kalJBc3c1N1E&output=html)) if you have a good feel for when to play shields, SoGs, or Dragons vs the different FGs.  But since he didn't use StatsMasta...

deck	Mono Aether FG Farmer
players	CCCombobreaker

version	1.27		win-rate	43.57%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	44.4%
games	241		Score/h	503
win-loss-(EM)	105-136-(53)		Score/h (n)	535
time (h:m:s)	13:04:30		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3644
min/game	03:15		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3804

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

"

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
197    -691    1220    -243    1821    -693    895    0    -297    -731    1164    282    -524    -373       488    970    -94    1696    465    912    1988    250    313    1110    1008    -652    776    141    1191	2869    -691    6341    1268    8640    -693    5246    1822    1811    -731    6036    2651    182    807       4678    4975    1481    7433    2682    5319    8713    3281    3997    5400    5314    -652    5237    1720    7111	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	1        8    2    14         4    1    1        5    5    1    1    4    8    2    4    6    8    3    3    2    6    5        5    3    3	3     8     2     11           7     4     3     4     6     3     9     12     7     5     3     7         6     2         7     3     3     2     9     2     7     1		1            4      1      7            3                        4      2                        5            4      5      1      3      2            6      3                  2

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Also, as instructed I stuck out every match that even had a slight chance of winning, but you could definitely get a little faster by jumping out against some FGs when it sucks (which is usually not getting a Lobo by turn 5 against FireQueen, Osiris, or Gemini).  And having these stats, I can say which FGs are worth skipping, which would also save anyone else wants to run this some time.


*note, I tried to upload the spreadsheet as an attachment but it said it took too long or was to big or something
** note, I used the links you so helpfully provided to upload it: http://www.mediafire.com/?gr0lfgvg5if0k18

[Genuinous]

Ran 200 games with the mono-aether myself.  I definitely made some mistakes here and there, and would expect if I did it again to have closer to 44% win rate.

deck	Mono Aether FG Farmer
players	CCCombobreaker

version	1.27		win-rate	38.5%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	200		Score/h	366
win-loss-(EM)	77-123-(36)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	10:55:53		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3113
min/game	03:17		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

"

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
484    -657    1034    -198    1782    -656    672    -594    -297    -731    -9    24    -531    -794       319    888    -94    1674    465    773    1756    -245    541    1056    1008    -663    688    196    1191	3761    -657    5721    1415    8582    -656    4313    -594    1811    -731    1642    1655    271    -794       3810    4694    1481    7340    2682    4789    7698    1414    4873    5139    5314    -663    4932    1908    7111	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	1        5    2    11         2        1        1    3    1        3    6    2    3    6    6    2    1    2    4    5        4    3    3	2     7     2     10           6     3     3     4     6     3     9     11     6     5     3     7         6     2         6     2     2     2     7     2     6     1		1            2      1      5            2                              1                        4            3      5            2      1            4      3                  2

"

If you could get one game with Neptune we could see the complete results. Just a suggestion