[1.32] False Gods Stats Thread

[Keolino]

Well, here we go, the second 100 are finished now

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God	Wins	Losses	EMs	TTW	+Max HP in EMs
Total	56	44	34	865	2496
Akebono	2	1	1	35	72
Chaos Lord	0	2	0	0	0
Dark Matter	0	1	0	0	0
Decay	0	3	0	0	0
Destiny	3	1	0	39	0
Divine Glory	0	2	0	0	0
Dream Catcher	0	1	0	0	0
Elidnis	0	5	0	0	0
Eternal Phoenix	6	2	3	96	264
Ferox	0	1	0	0	0
Fire Queen	0	4	0	0	0
Gemini	2	0	2	32	144
Graviton	2	1	1	30	96
Hecate	0	4	0	0	0
Hermes	7	1	4	107	264
Incarnate	0	1	0	0	0
Jezebel	2	2	2	39	144
Lionheart	5	0	4	75	288
Miracle	1	2	0	23	0
Morte	2	1	1	32	96
Neptune	5	0	3	86	216
Obliterator	2	1	0	32	0
Octane	1	4	0	14	0
Osiris	4	1	3	58	264
Paradox	0	1	0	0	0
Rainbow	1	1	1	19	72
Scorpio	1	0	1	14	72
Seism	5	1	3	67	240
Serket	5	0	5	67	264

I already checked, there should be at least 3 games per FG now.

[Faro]

@the dictator : why not Beat the Bug ?

Go take some stats if you feel it should be in the list, it simply wasn't added yet because there is no valid data to be added.

I started here with 60 games ...

[the dictator]

How to participate

Testers Instructions
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 at least 100 games per set
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So, do 40 more, and enter them together as a set. I didn't add them waiting for someone to add 40 more games, because then we got two different testers over those 100 games, while I want at least each tester to do 100 games. But, since you are the original tester, go ahead and complete your own sample
(Yes, I know freebird has 'only' 95 games, but I decided to let that slide, especially since there were 100, but the lionheart games were tossed out.)

Edit: Keolino, I added the second set, but there is an issue. You have a 0 ttw against Elidnis, which currently messes up the calculations. So the question is: was it a loss instead of a win, or did you forget to put down a TTW number?

[Keolino]

Edit: Keolino, I added the second set, but there is an issue. You have a 0 ttw against Elidnis, which currently messes up the calculations. So the question is: was it a loss instead of a win, or did you forget to put down a TTW number?

  nope that was a loss. It was one of the last games, and I was so exited that I was finally able to get his life points down, only so that his healing overwhelmed when I got him down to about 20 HP... Anyway, I never beated him and that one was a loss too. (That's what you get for posting your stats before checking them a second time... I checked everything again now, and the others are fine. One TTW number per win, and one MAXHP number per EM.)

(I changed the stat-post to the right number as well)

[the dictator]

Hmm, sounds like a pdials match I played yesterday: managed to get ferox down to 2 hp's before he managed to draw the third bond he needed to outheal my damage.


Opening post updated, including formatting changes.

On top of that, the spreadsheet now takes a TTL percentage number. For the current opening post it's still set to 100%. I did check though: The average TTL is 9,012 (Only considering those sets that tracked TTL). The average TTW is 12,17 (again, only considering those sets that tracked TTW), which puts the suggested percentage at 74%.

Therefore, here is an alternate version of the opening post with TTW = TTL*0,75 (And TTF is the weighted average between the two, based on wins/losses).

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Unupgraded decks
Unupgraded decks are allowed up to 9 upgrades. Within groups, modifications are sorted by number of upgrades, then number of rares, than Optimal UEI, with the highest ranking deck used as representative deck.

RoL/Hope Unupped, By Krathos, Modified by Zawadx, Tested by Zawadx, 116 matches played.
Opt. WR: 54,17%   Opt. TTW: 11,93   Opt. EMR: 5,93%   Opt. UEI(333): 6711   Opt. UEI(250): 5039   Recommended Skiplist: 15 Gods

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My RoL/Hope (mostly) unupped (More Upgrades, Yay! Mod)

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	Winrate (Played)	TTW	EMrate	UEI(333)	UEI(250)	Skips
Optimal	16,81% (54,17%)	11,93	5,93%	6711	5039	20 Gods
Secure	22,27% (46,13%)	12,35	3,81%	6306	4734	15 Gods
Skipless	26,44%	12,39	2,81%	3896	2925

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Upgraded decks
Within groups, modifications are sorted by UEI, with the best deck used as representative deck.

Voodoo Bravery, By eaglgenes101, Modified by The dictator, Tested by The dictator, 863 matches played.
Opt. WR: 60,84%   Opt. TTW: 8,16   Opt. EMR: 0,41%   Opt. UEI(333): 13510   Opt. UEI(250): 10143   Recommended Skiplist: 6 Gods

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Voodoo Bravery 1.2

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	Winrate (Played)	TTW	EMrate	UEI(333)	UEI(250)	Skips
Optimal	39,86% (60,84%)	8,16	0,41%	13510	10143	10 Gods
Secure	46,20% (58,25%)	8,15	0,65%	13363	10032	6 Gods
Skipless	48,97%	7,91	0,51%	11966	8984

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Pdials, By Sevs, Modified by neuroleptics, Tested by Keolino and Unknown, 524 matches played.
Opt. WR: 83,85%   Opt. TTW: 15,06   Opt. EMR: 65,95%   Opt. UEI(333): 11058   Opt. UEI(250): 8302   Recommended Skiplist: 12 Gods

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Pdials (34 cards)

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	Winrate (Played)	TTW	EMrate	UEI(333)	UEI(250)	Skips
Optimal	40,48% (83,85%)	15,06	65,95%	11058	8302	15 Gods
Secure	47,06% (80,27%)	15,10	64,76%	10911	8191	12 Gods
Skipless	53,01%	14,69	61,45%	7780	5841

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Pdials (34 cards), By Sevs, Modified by neuroleptics, Tested by Keolino, 200 Games Played
Opt. WR: 86,47%   Opt. TTW: 14,82   Opt. EMR: 67,18%   Opt. UEI(333): 11333   Opt. UEI(250): 8508   Recommended Skiplist: 15 Gods

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TL:DR; this makes for significantly shorter skiplists, which is not a bad thing I would say, since the skiplists that were being calculated seemed rather long to me. Secure skiplist goes from (16|9|14) with 100% to 15|6|12 with 75%.

[Leodip]

Hmm, how about calculating an example TTL against each god using an inoffensive deck? What I had in mind is 60 Quantum Pillars and a random mark played in XenoSim.
Would it be viable? Also, is it possible to make it play against a specific god while keeping its AI (well, some priorities and stuff, not really a new AI) in order to calculate an approximative TTL for each god?

[the dictator]

I decided to go ahead and use TTL=75% TTW. While this does not completely match up with the UEI formulae, it reflects the actuality better. I'm planning to do the same thing for the Arena and AI4 studies (if needed).

Opening posts updated.

[Pun_Pun]

Guys, there has to be some use for my info, but I'm still kinda new to posting in these threads. Here is the raw info I've collected on this deck so far:
False God   Wins   Losses   
Akebono   7   4   63.64%
Chaos Lord   7   14   33.33%
Dark Matter   3   8   27.27%
Decay   6   9   40.00%
Destiny   1   12   7.69%
Divine Glory   9   7   56.25%
Dream Catcher   7   4   63.64%
Elidnis   11   5   68.75%
Eternal Phoenix   9   4   69.23%
Ferox   9   4   69.23%
Fire Queen   5   5   50.00%
Gemini   10   5   66.67%
Graviton   2   9   18.18%
Hecate   10   5   66.67%
Hermes   10   8   55.56%
Incarnate   14   3   82.35%
Jezebel   12   3   80.00%
Lionheart   7   11   38.89%
Miracle   10   4   71.43%
Morte   12   8   60.00%
Neptune   15   1   93.75%
Obliterator   5   5   50.00%
Octane   6   13   31.58%
Osiris   1   17   5.56%
Paradox   10   8   55.56%
Rainbow   9   3   75.00%
Scorpio   10   7   58.82%
Seism   2   14   12.50%
Serket   13   3   81.25%
         
   232   203   
Win%   53.33%      
Avg Win% by FG   53.54%      

I don't track EM or TTW unfortunately. Win % and win % against each FG is the reason I track my results. The deck I used (just happens to be same as Zso Zso):

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[Kirandio]

My variant on Speed Poison Kamikaze

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God   Wins   Losses   EMs   TTW   Skip Candidate?   Cards Won
   Total      51   51   21   604      20
   Akebono      5   1   3   59   No   3
   Chaos Lord      2   3   1   29   Maybe   0
   Dark Matter      4   1   0   48   No   1
   Decay      0   6   0      Probably   
   Destiny      2   2   1   23   No   2
   Divine Glory      1   3   0   13   Probably   1
   Dream Catcher      0   1         Don't Know   
   Elidnis      4   0   3   38   No   0
   Eternal Phoenix      2   0   0   23   No   2
   Ferox      1   1   0   13   Maybe   0
   Fire Queen      0   1   0      Probably   
   Gemini      1   1   0   16   No   0
   Graviton      4   0   2   47   No   1
   Hecate      1   1   0   12   Don't Know   
   Hermes      3   1   2   38   Not yet   0
   Incarnate      1   1   0   12   No   0
   Jezebel      2   1   1   21   No   2
   Lionheart      4   0   1   42   No   1
   Miracle      0   4   0      Probably   
   Morte      2   2   1   28   Maybe   1
   Neptune      1   2   0   12   Not yet   2
   Obliterator      1   4   0   11   Probably   0
   Octane      0   5         Probably   
   Osiris      5   0   3   59   No   3
   Paradox      1   4   1   9   Maybe   1
   Rainbow      1   1   1   15   Not yet   0
   Scorpio      1   1   0   13   Not yet   
   Seism      0   3         Probably   
   Serket      2   1   1   23   No   0

[rawrqwer]

A very promising variant of the Voodoo Bravery deck:

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It's more stable to get started with six SN and the Entropy mark than the Entropy Pendulum version.
It's got Mirror Shield, so the FGs can't kill you through a GP'd Doll with eg. Fire Lance/Thunderbolt and Octane is a walk in the park most of the times.
The 12/18 Aether Quanta is being provided by the 6 SN (12 quanta) and 4 Aether Towers (8 quanta, even if destroyed instantly)

Games Played: 295

Opt winrate: 64.62%

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FG                          win   loss Akebono              12   5 Divine Glory         11   3 Dream Catcher    7   4 Elidnis                 3   4 Eternal Phoenix   3   5 Fire Queen           5   6 Hermes               6   7 Incarnate             6   4 Jezebel                8   4 Miracle                 6   6 Morte                  7   4 Neptune               10   2 Obliterator          8   5 Octane                 9   1 Paradox               9   0 Rainbow               3   2 Scorpio                6   5 Serket                 7   2

Opt TTW 8.864 (though this was played very defensively, could fall quite a bit if played more aggressively)

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FG               TTW Scorpio        7 Serket         8 Incarnate    8 Akebono      10 Morte          7 Divine Glory   7 Serket          5 Fire Queen   7 Octane         9 Miracle          8 Hermes        12 Neptune       9 Divine Glory   8 Divine Glory   8 Akebono      8 Morte          8 Morte           7 Paradox       8 Hermes        9 Serket         7 Akebono       8 Obliterator   7 Dream Catcher   13 Neptune       10 Paradox       13 Fire Queen   9 Gemini         12 Paradox       7 Incarnate     10 Akebono      10 Octane         9 Obliterator   11 Miracle         10 Akebono      9 Incarnate    7 Neptune      11 Scorpio        8 Miracle         8 Hermes       7 Miracle         8 Incarnate    8 Fire Queen   10 Divine Glory   7 Rainbow      12 Divine Glory   7 Morte          8 Paradox      11 Divine Glory   10 Scorpio        8 Obliterator   6 Scorpio        9 Serket         7 Octane        9 Miracle         7 Serket         8 Miracle         7 Morte          9 Jezebel        9 Obliterator   14 Neptune       12 Octane         7 Paradox       8 Octane        8 Obliterator   10 Neptune      10 Octane        11 Divine Glory   10 Scorpio        8 Paradox      8 Akebono      9 Paradox      11 Divine Glory   9 Elidnis         6 Akebono      7 Elidnis         7 Jezebel        8 Akebono      12 Dream Catcher   9 Neptune      10 Serket          7 Morte          7 Fire Queen   9 Rainbow      8 Paradox      8 Scorpio        7 Jezebel        13 Obliterator   8 Obliterator   7 Serket         6 Fire Queen   7 Dream Catcher   13 Divine Glory   11 Neptune      15 Paradox       7 Jezebel        10 Divine Glory   10 Gemini         8 Hermes        6 Morte          8 Elidnis         10 Octane        11 Dream Catcher   11 Obliterator   8 Hermes       7 Akebono      10 Incarnate     7 Hermes        7 Octane        6 Dream Catcher   15 Rainbow      8 Incarnate    8 Divine Glory   7 Jezebel        9 Octane        10 Jezebel        11 Dream Catcher   10 Akebono      10 Neptune      8 Akebono       9 Akebono       10 Neptune       10 Dream Catcher   11 Jezebel        7 Neptune      13 Jezebel        7

11 Skipped Gods (and why):
Reverse Time: Destiny, Lionheart, Osiris, Seism
Mutation: Chaos Lord
Quanta: Dark Matter, Decay
Momentum: Gemini, Graviton
Too much Damage: Ferox, Hecate

If only 8 Gods skipped (Reverse Time, Mutation, Quanta and Ferox), the winrate is 60.55% with 8.84 TTW

[Chapuz]

Don't skip Ferox! Does the mirror shield save you many games? I feel safer with an extra PU

[rawrqwer]

Why not skipping Ferox? Sure, you could theoretically win against him, when he has a bad start and no healing.
But having a lower than 10% chance to win against him doesn't justify the time spent fighting him.

The mirror Shield is a huge improvement for the deck imo.
The shield shines brightest against Octane, because all his Unstable Gasses become completely useless. This was the original idea, why I included it in the deck, but it turned out to be much more than that.
You can drop as low as you want against most FGs and still be sure, they can't kill you (except for Momentum, Poison or Hecates Voodoos).
When you have got both Dolls and the Mirror Shield out, FGs use their damage spells on the second Doll, so it even improves your damage a little bit.
Not to forget the 1 damage it blocks from all attacks. This gives you 1-2 turns longer to survive before you put GP on your Doll.

PU is an offensive tool, so unless you want to kill the FG, you don't really need it. Mirror Shield works well in delaying time until you're through with your deck and have the 2-3 PUs you need to finish the FG off.