[1.32] False Gods Stats Thread

[the dictator]

Added an example of the formatting of the results. Let's see some suggestions/critique.

(and yes, the data is accurate)

[Keeps]

The only thing I don't understand is how you are going to calculate the final TTE, from TTW + Skips, part of what I figure figuring out what to skip would be based on TTL.

For example,
Lets say you have two FGs each with a 60% WR the deck goes against, lets say the average TTW is 10 for both the the average TTL for one is 5 (The FG out rushes the deck) and the FG gives a better spin chance, versus the  the other FG, has a TTL of 11 (The FG can outlast the other deck) and does not have as good of a spin chance. 

It might fall that this is the dividing line between a FG you should skip versus on you don't. 

[the dictator]

While this CAN most certainly come up, the formulae currently don't (can't) consider your example, because the TTL is ignored, it is set to equal the turns to wins. Because of this, both gods would be considered to have a 10 TTF, with a slight difference in spin chance.

So, yes while part of figuring out what to skip would ideally be based on TTL, it currently isn't, though TTF per god does mimic TTL. (If you have very long, drawn out wins, even if you can lose quickly, you need wins to make games against that god profitable). The final average TTF is simply the average of the (TTF per played god + 1 per skipped god).

[Zawadx]

Yay! First person to post some data!

A modification of My RoL/Hope (mostly) unupped by Krathos. Modification and Testing by Zawadx

My RoL/Hope (mostly) unupped (More Upgrades, Yay! Mod)

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A total of 116 Games played:

God	Wins	Losses	EMs	TTW	TTL
Total	34	82	2	500	717
Akebono	1	2	0	16	13
Chaos Lord	1	2	0	14	13
Dark Matter	1	7	0	13	45
Decay	1	3	0	17	33
Destiny	1	2	0	17	21
Divine Glory	3	1	1	52	25
Dream Catcher	1	2	0	16	20
Elidnis	1	3	0	22	27
Eternal Phoenix	0	3	0	0	29
Ferox	0	3	0	0	15
Fire Queen	5	3	1	69	42
Gemini	0	3	0	0	30
Graviton	0	3	0	0	18
Hecate	2	4	0	23	36
Hermes	0	3	0	0	18
Incarnate	3	2	0	38	18
Jezebel	0	3	0	0	37
Lionheart	2	1	0	32	13
Miracle	1	2	0	16	14
Morte	0	4	0	0	30
Neptune	0	4	0	0	38
Obliterator	2	3	0	24	26
Octane	0	4	0	0	26
Osiris	1	2	0	12	15
Paradox	5	1	0	71	6
Rainbow	1	5	0	13	40
Scorpio	0	3	0	0	36
Seism	1	2	0	24	15
Serket	1	2	0	11	18

I included TTL because it was significantly different from TTW. Average TTW is 14.71, while average TTL is just 8.74. This might be good to consider for future UEI formulae.

The following FGs were played in the Trainer to get 3 games per God:

Akebano x2
Chaos Lord x1
Destiny x1
Dream Catcher x3
Eternal Phoenix x1
Ferox x3
Graviton x2
Jezebel x1
Osiris x1
Seism x1

Please point out any inconsistencies as the data was not automated and might be subject to error.

[Keolino]

Playing with (and testing) Poison Dials vs FGs right now, some quick questions came up...

Will it help anybody if I record extra HP per EM (per FG)?

And just because the opening posts are long as hell, will be recording (everything per FG) wins+losses, turns to win, elemental masteries (and everage extra HP per mastery?) and 100 games+at least 3 per FG enough to be included in the stat tests, or did I miss something?

[the dictator]

Playing with (and testing) Poison Dials vs FGs right now, some quick questions came up...

Will it help anybody if I record extra HP per EM (per FG)?
Yes, the current calculations assume a fixed number of endgame hit points (that includes non-EM's), but currently that is arbitrarily set by me for each deck, if you provide some actual end of game max hit points, it would give me some insight.

And just because the opening posts are long as hell, will be recording (everything per FG) wins+losses, turns to win, elemental masteries (and everage extra HP per mastery?) and 100 games+at least 3 per FG enough to be included in the stat tests, or did I miss something?
That is all that is needed. Additional info like TTL or time to win will be recorded if provided, in case future tests/revised calculations want to use them, but they aren't in any way needed.

Aside from that, good to see some people are interested in helping this project move along. I'm currently making the final adjustments to the output format, I expect an example of the new format (and automated, to save me work and reduce mistakes), will be up today or tomorrow, after I have removed the last flaws and checked the data of the old study to see if anything is eligible. Sadly, my last impression of the old data wasn't very good: because of the differing skip policies, most of the data in the old study can't be included, at least, not simply by copy pasting the numbers into my new sheet.

[Leodip]

Also, I'm glad to see someone testing PDials. Given that I already ran my tests (although I deleted them) and I calculated the UEI (this one is intact), we can see how much the approximations of this way to calculate UEI deviates from empirical testing.
I've played at least 7 times each god, getting at least one loss for each. Unimproved UEI is (approximated a little bit) 11243.25 Electrums/Hour.
I skipped:
-Dream Catcher
-Ferox
-Fire Queen
-Hecate
-Jezebel (although possible, plain hard, decided to skip it however)
-Miracle
-Octane
-Rainbow (possible, but hard and not worth it)
-Seism

Although I wouldn't consider this data official for anything, I think you can trust my word that by calculating the Electrums you get that's pretty much the UEI you'll have.

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[Keolino]

Also, I'm glad to see someone testing PDials. Given that I already ran my tests (although I deleted them) and I calculated the UEI (this one is intact), we can see how much the approximations of this way to calculate UEI deviates from empirical testing.
I've played at least 7 times each god, getting at least one loss for each. Unimproved UEI is (approximated a little bit) 11243.25 Electrums/Hour.
I skipped:
-Dream Catcher
-Ferox
-Fire Queen
-Hecate
-Jezebel (although possible, plain hard, decided to skip it however)
-Miracle
-Octane
-Rainbow (possible, but hard and not worth it)
-Seism

Although I wouldn't consider this data official for anything, I think you can trust my word that by calculating the Electrums you get that's pretty much the UEI you'll have.

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I am using a 34 card version. Wouldn't ever make much difference, but those extra cards are sometimes worth it.

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Also, I don't skip before the end. Well, some time ago, I played all false god decks with skipping all but 10-12 easy-to-beat gods. Got about 80 % win rate with poison dials and SoP/Hope that way, but I got pretty damn pissed every time I actually lost because I was supposed to be winning against those gods. Now I don't ever skip, I know that I will be losing some games and that that is fine, and so the harder the god the better the challenge. And hey, I beat Octane and Rainbow already. From Octane, I even have a pic:

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[Leodip]

Rainbow isn't worth it. I played a couple of games while testing another deck and it wasn't worth it. The value of spinned cards is too little to ever make a difference, unlesse you have a great TTW and WR against him (and your deck doesn't win much against the other FGs). I ended up skipping it with that other deck, too.
Octane is hard, but depends on his draw, not yours. If he manages to put a couple of Eagle's Eyes early, you can win, if he puts 3 or more, you most likely will. Also, you may hope to outrush him by stalling his damage via SoSac. Still, low WR won't make an awesome UEI.
If anything, due to the difference in the lists and the skipping of gods, your UEI can only be higher.

[Keolino]

If anything, due to the difference in the lists and the skipping of gods, your UEI can only be higher.

yeah, true enough. But one should play as he likes it the most, not as that UEI is higher by a bit.

[Keolino]

Well, here we go

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God	Wins	Losses	EMs	TTW	+Max HP in EMs
Total	62	38	46	992	3096
Akebono	3	1	3	48	192
Chaos Lord	4	1	4	68	312
Dark Matter	2	1	0	30	0
Decay	0	3	0	0	0
Destiny	6	0	5	87	336
Divine Glory	0	2	0	0	0
Dream Catcher	0	3	0	0	0
Elidnis	0	1	0	0	0
Eternal Phoenix	4	1	4	61	168
Ferox	0	4	0	0	0
Fire Queen	0	2	0	0	0
Gemini	4	0	3	64	216
Graviton	2	0	1	27	48
Hecate	1	1	1	25	96
Hermes	2	1	1	28	72
Incarnate	0	5	0	0	0
Jezebel	1	4	0	15	0
Lionheart	5	0	4	69	240
Miracle	0	2	0	0	0
Morte	2	1	1	39	72
Neptune	5	0	3	78	168
Obliterator	2	0	1	36	96
Octane	1	0	0	16	0
Osiris	5	2	5	80	360
Paradox	2	0	1	41	48
Rainbow	2	1	2	39	168
Scorpio	3	0	1	54	72
Seism	3	0	3	46	216
Serket	3	2	3	41	216

I didn't play trainer to get the ones missing, because I will probably get another 100 over the next week.

[omegareaper7]

Rainbow isn't worth it. I played a couple of games while testing another deck and it wasn't worth it. The value of spinned cards is too little to ever make a difference, unlesse you have a great TTW and WR against him (and your deck doesn't win much against the other FGs). I ended up skipping it with that other deck, too.
Octane is hard, but depends on his draw, not yours. If he manages to put a couple of Eagle's Eyes early, you can win, if he puts 3 or more, you most likely will. Also, you may hope to outrush him by stalling his damage via SoSac. Still, low WR won't make an awesome UEI.
If anything, due to the difference in the lists and the skipping of gods, your UEI can only be higher.

Rainbow not worth it? I usually won against rainbow whenever I played him with dials.