The quest for good unupped fg farmers (outdated)

[Colossus]

I wouldn't mind other people helping in testing, there's just the problem of reliability. I know I can rely on myself, but if someone were to test their own decks they might feel like omitting a loss or two and end up with the wrong results. I haven't gotten much to testing myself lately, sad enough. The decks left to test are so slow that I need quite some time to do even one battle for the test.

I thought about that after what I said actually. What if you did it like jmdt does with his ttw study? Letting certain people test decks, but not ones they themselves built? You'd have to know they understand the game, and pretty much each false god inside and out, but it could help speed things up and make your life a little easier too.

[Falcon4415]

I propose myself for this^.

You also get my never-before-seen Bulky-But-Somehow-Good-SG-Based-Rainbow

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[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'll go through the topic and look for fg farmers after all in the OP have been tested, right now I have more results. It wasn't 200 games yet, but enough to tell it wasn't efficient enough to bother with the rest (low win rate, yet slow).

Sudden Fire Bolt Killer
Normalized win rate: 13.8%

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	Wins:	Losses
Chaos Lord:	0	0
Dark Matter:	ditch	4
Decay:	ditch	6
Destiny:	1	3
Divine Glory:	ditch	4
Dream Catcher:	ditch	5
Elidnis:	3	5
Eternal Phoenix:	ditch	6
Ferox:	0	4
Fire Queen:	2	2
Gemini:	0	5
Graviton:	ditch	9
Hermes:	ditch	8
Incarnate:	3	6
Miracle:	0	1
Morte:	ditch	5
Neptune:	5	6
Obliterator:	ditch	4
Octane:	ditch	2
Osiris:	1	2
Paradox:	2	3
Rainbow:	ditch	3
Scorpio:	ditch	2
Seism:	ditch	2

Reason:
Due to draws alone the deck doesn't get more than 50% against any specific fg.
Add the fact that you have to auto-quit 50% already lies the roof on <25%.
And the fact that some fgs can counter even though it's worth trying (early lobo on Osiris, no/late Pufferfishes from Elidnis).

[afflikshoN]

As someone who has attempted, in vain, to grind SGbow profitably (relative to an unupped no-land stompy), let me mention that you must take into consideration that AI3 grinding gets many more spins per hour. This not only means more cards, but more +5 electrum winnings, which definitely add up.

A slow FG grinder like SGbow (which, in my humble opinion, just doesn't cut it without a good deal of upgrades) on FG's is MUCH less profitable than AI 3 speed grinding.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

As someone who has attempted, in vain, to grind SGbow profitably (relative to an unupped no-land stompy), let me mention that you must take into consideration that AI3 grinding gets many more spins per hour. This not only means more cards, but more +5 electrum winnings, which definitely add up.

A slow FG grinder like SGbow (which, in my humble opinion, just doesn't cut it without a good deal of upgrades) on FG's is MUCH less profitable than AI 3 speed grinding.

Yeah, it's slow, but just the fact that you can automatically quit with some fgs increases it's overall speed (don't stick around the fgs Obliterator, Octane, Divine Glory, Dream Catcher, Osiris, Scorpio, Eternal Phoenix, Hermes, Graviton, Rainbow, Dark Matter and Decay, it's not worth it). With the stats I had gathered so far SGbow generates approximatly 90 electrum per game with it's normalized win rate, so this includes lost games, meaning the wins can compensate enough to still give that average 90 electrum per game. I'm not sure about the electrum gain of the average ai3 grinder, but it takes quite some speed/EM rate and win rate to top that.

[7wavemaster]

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Not sure how well this would work but the basic idea is there.  I might add a miracle or something but im not sure.

[kobisjeruk]

wings does nothing by itself since most FGs (i'd say all but a handful) have some airborne creatures
the old FFQ+bond+hope is better imo (of course better doesnt mean its effective...more like if this has 5% winrate, that has about 6%)

[7wavemaster]

wings does nothing by itself since most FGs (i'd say all but a handful) have some airborne creatures
the old FFQ+bond+hope is better imo (of course better doesnt mean its effective...more like if this has 5% winrate, that has about 6%)

WOOT!! It's better then i thought.  I thought it had a 3% chance  .

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Moar stats!

Completely unupped SGbow
Normalized win rate: 18.4%

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	Wins:	Losses
Chaos Lord:	2	4
Dark Matter:	ditch	9
Decay:	ditch	12
Destiny:	5	6
Divine Glory:	ditch	8
Dream Catcher:	ditch	8
Elidnis:	2	5
Eternal Phoenix:	ditch	5
Ferox:	7	4
Fire Queen:	2	8
Gemini:	2	4
Graviton:	ditch	7
Hermes:	ditch	10
Incarnate:	5	6
Miracle:	3	4
Morte:	1	8
Neptune:	3	7
Obliterator:	ditch	14
Octane:	ditch	6
Osiris:	ditch	11
Paradox:	5	3
Rainbow:	ditch	11
Scorpio:	ditch	7
Seism:	1	5

Ditches are derived as usual, try a few times first, and find out how impossible hard it is later.

[silux]

I would suggest trying doing decks around nymphs!

I know nynphs aren't avaible fast to new players but they are Oracle provided(no grind required) and they boost win rate a lot.

Due the fact that you don't choose nymph's elements we could make sample decks for all nymph's elements so that every (nymph is orrible to write...) you got first you can have your bloody war machine!

For Earth one I suggest Catapult-Petrify combo with a splash for quint

For Water a rainbow nursery of quinted nymphs!

For Entropy parallel universe opponent's creatures and then antimatter

For Air Aflatoxin and bone wall do wonders

For Gravity Earthquakes and armagio

For Aether funny ideas!

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I would suggest trying doing decks around nymphs!

I know nynphs aren't avaible fast to new players but they are Oracle provided(no grind required) and they boost win rate a lot.

Due the fact that you don't choose nymph's elements we could make sample decks for all nymph's elements so that every (nymph is orrible to write...) you got first you can have your bloody war machine!

For Earth one I suggest Catapult-Petrify combo with a splash for quint

For Water a rainbow nursery of quinted nymphs!

For Entropy parallel universe opponent's creatures and then antimatter

For Air Aflatoxin and bone wall do wonders

For Gravity Earthquakes and armagio

For Aether funny ideas!

Nymphs aren't that great, and no deck with one nymph is going to perform any better against fgs than the current top 3 because of that nymph. One card is not enough to build a fg killer on, not to mention I could impossibly test all these decks for not having the nymphs

[silux]

The trainer there is for that, it isn't?

I can get you a nice rainbow like this(only 3 rares)

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pros:it works,enough balanced, can countersteal and destroy;no upped cards
cons:it needs 2rare card(miracle can save your life often) hard to get mastery, but you can.

My suggest is first to grind lvl5 and then Fake god.(now lvl 5 have a near 5% of winning an upped card)Then turbo fractal-hope-RoL