The quest for good unupped fg farmers (outdated)

[geekz_always_win]

Also, don't toss out mono- just yet.


Try this:
14x Aether Pillars
6x Phase Dragons
6x Dimensional Shields
3x Parallel Universe
Lobo

If you can, try and find another Lobo and switch it out for a Dragon. That would increase your win chances by quite a bit.
You can beat:
Incarnate-- Hold onto your shields as long as possible before chaining them. Parallel a Vampire or two, keeps you alive longer.
Destiny--If there's not a horde of momentum or steal/deflag mutants I'd basically say you've won save a horrible draw. Twinning a chaos powered dragon mutant with like 24 atk is fun though.
Fire Queen and Osiris--If Lobo is in your opening hand, you pretty much will win 80% of the time. Not much to say here, other than auto-quit if it isn't in your first 3 cards.
Dark Matter--Depends on how early your Lobo comes too, but if it's early enough, maybe 5 turns in, then you might have enough time to get rid of the momentumed creatures. You can try PUing some of his blessed creatures, but Gravity Force will kill them pretty fast.
Paradox-- Pretty easy god, doesn't get very much damage out fast and you can always stall him out save a terrible draw. Ambush him at the end by holding most of your dragons in your hand so he doesn't miracle. TU his buffed Deja Vus.
Neptune--Tough matchup for this deck, I advise you forfeit if Permafrost comes early because that will stall you out for quite a while. PU some Arctic Dragons
Miracle--Hold onto your Parallel Universes and save them all at the end by twinning his most buffed dragon to bypass his trademark card, Miracle.


Auto-quit all other false gods of course, they have to much perm. control or healing.

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Then, once you have the money, upping 6 RoLs should let you switch to RoL/Hope fractal with decent results (better than this deck anyways)

[LongDono]

It is only able to beat those gods?

[geekz_always_win]

It is only able to beat those gods?

All other gods have too much Permanent control or Healing.

You might be able to beat Obliterator if you add deflags and a fire mark to blow his pulvy up before he enchants it. And maybe DG if she gets no fire towers, and MAYBE Gemini if he gets no phase shields.

Those are a lot of maybes though, so I won't hedge my bets on those.

[LongDono]

I use to play mono-Aeather but... now I play a wierd Aetherbow. I win against Gemini most of the time but it takes some getting use to. early oyt is always good. The last game I lost to it was due to a double PU on a mutant. He got a 13/? shield iggnoring creature, and then to make matters worse PU it again and had a 17/5 creature with the ability to make my Phase shield cry.
My Aetherbow use to be fully un-upped and changed around from what you would see in my falsegod thread.

[DecadeW]

Yeah no upgrades is do able but very hard.

I only upgraded two Hourglasses and my winning chances got a whole lot better. Sadly getting Graviton 4 times in a row isn't helping. At negative points...

[geekz_always_win]

Well you can't really expect much from unupped mono-aether with only 1 rare...

[TheonlyrealBeef]

First results are in! Voodoo deck is by far the fastest so I decided to test that one first. The result was a normalized win rate of: 13.9%
Below are spoilers for the deck and the table that shows results of all matches played.
(Note: one thing to say about Ferox: FAIL!)

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	Wins:	Losses
Chaos Lord:	ditch	5
Dark Matter:	ditch	10
Decay:	ditch	9
Destiny:	1	7
Divine Glory:	3	7
Dream Catcher:	1	6
Elidnis:	3	7
Eternal Phoenix:	0	4
Ferox:	0	17
Fire Queen:	2	6
Gemini:	0	5
Graviton:	0	10
Hermes:	1	10
Incarnate:	3	6
Miracle:	1	8
Morte:	0	6
Neptune:	2	3
Obliterator:	2	10
Octane:	1	5
Osiris:	1	2
Paradox:	2	7
Rainbow:	2	9
Scorpio:	2	7
Seism:	0	8

[LongDono]

Cool! Thanks for your hard work!

[geekz_always_win]

Woah, you played all the hard gods 10+ times. try getting like 5 from Neptune, 5 from Incarnate, 5 from dark matter, etc. Then find the stats.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Woah, you played all the hard gods 10+ times. try getting like 5 from Neptune, 5 from Incarnate, 5 from dark matter, etc. Then find the stats.

I intend to do the same amount of stats for each deck, I might have to do 500 battles before I face every fg at least 5 times, with a deck like voodoo that's annoying, with decks like the SGbow that's something I'd never do (I'm already looking up to getting stats from 200 games there ). The stats aren't perfect, but they have been normalized and provide a good estimation.
More stats: this time on Liquid Antimatter. Rest won't come so soon as these came

No idea why I faced Chaos Lord only once, but he simply mutates his debuffed creatures so facing him more often wouldn't have changed normalized win% anyway.

Normalized win% = 17.6%

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	Wins:	Losses
Chaos Lord:	0	1
Dark Matter:	ditch	8
Decay:	ditch	9
Destiny:	3	6
Divine Glory:	ditch	12
Dream Catcher:	ditch	12
Elidnis:	ditch	10
Eternal Phoenix:	ditch	8
Ferox:	ditch	8
Fire Queen:	ditch	11
Gemini:	4	7
Graviton:	ditch	5
Hermes:	2	9
Incarnate:	3	4
Miracle:	4	2
Morte:	ditch	14
Neptune:	5	4
Obliterator:	6	0
Octane:	ditch	8
Osiris:	ditch	3
Paradox:	3	7
Rainbow:	1	6
Scorpio:	ditch	10
Seism:	1	3

Long post I know, but I also did some math regarding desirable win rate.

e stands for electrum per game
x stands for win chance

assumption: winning a game gives you 50 electrum and a 20% chance to win a card worth 1100 electrum.

e = (x - 1) * (-30) + (x) * (50 + 0.2 * 1100)
e = -30x + 30 + 270x
e = 240x + 30
so if we're taking x in percentages we have
e = 2.4x + 30

say we wanted an average of 80 electrum per win
80 = 2.4x + 30
50 = 2.4x

x = (50/2.4) = 20.8%

This means having a winning percentage below 20% is meaningless, since ai3 can probably give you faster electrum, and some score as an added flavour.
Lots of assumptions I know, very bad, but a deck that is half the speed of an ai3 farmer should have about 20% win rate against fgs to make profit. SGbow probably suffers big time from it's speed, but I'll keep collecting stats on decks.

[Colossus]

Beef, just because I wish this was around when I started a long time ago, would you be willing to let others help you test these decks also? To relieve a bit of your headaches and what have you?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Beef, just because I wish this was around when I started a long time ago, would you be willing to let others help you test these decks also? To relieve a bit of your headaches and what have you?

I wouldn't mind other people helping in testing, there's just the problem of reliability. I know I can rely on myself, but if someone were to test their own decks they might feel like omitting a loss or two and end up with the wrong results. I haven't gotten much to testing myself lately, sad enough. The decks left to test are so slow that I need quite some time to do even one battle for the test.