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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg466156#msg466156
« Reply #216 on: March 01, 2012, 04:30:59 am »
I agree Paradox needs a buff, and I think that these options might help:
1. Remove Morning Glories
2. Reduce some of the 8(16) copies of cards to 7(14)
3. Make use of Fractal and have less copies initially?
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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg466227#msg466227
« Reply #217 on: March 01, 2012, 12:49:57 pm »
buff, the problem is that he's way to easy to counter as the only problem is that he can PU spam to kill you wich is most of the time late game, where you already sealed the win.
his creatures are easy to stop and shield chain can be broken.
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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg467568#msg467568
« Reply #218 on: March 05, 2012, 06:05:37 am »
Paradox...
The biggest problem with paradox, is the AI.
If the AI was capable of blessing a Deja vu, holding it, then TUing a 13/13 4 times, then splitting them all the next turn, then Paradox would be a much bigger threat.
If the AI has a rol, 2 light, and no deja, he starts blessing the rol and not the deja vus. More fail.
But yeah, the deck is badly built.
Time pillars, light mark, no rols would help. Faster deck, as people said.

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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg468652#msg468652
« Reply #219 on: March 08, 2012, 03:57:06 am »
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The Fake God with the most PC and control overall. Enough cards in his deck to empty your field, rush you, and/or deck you out with 4 Miracles to bail him out. His main strategy is to get a large number of Electrum Hourglasses, drawing multiple cards a turn, and overwhelming you. His deck is very heavily control-oriented, so he will shut down your strategy with creature control (Eagle’s Eye, Gravity Force, Congeal, Thunderbolt) and permanent control (Explosion, Improved Steal). He has cheap evolvable cards that quickly turn into strong hitters (Elite Graboid, Werewolf), and he has growable creatures that gets more powerful indefinitely (Forest Spectre).

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Enchant Artifact/Protect Artifact
Effect: The target permanent can not be the target of any skill. It does not work on creatures.

Valuable if your opponent has 14 PC cards...

Gravity Shield
Shield: any creature that has more than 5 HP’s is unable to reach you

Can block all creatures other than Shriekers

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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg468678#msg468678
« Reply #220 on: March 08, 2012, 05:17:05 am »
Fine. Rainbow is fine as is. Rainbow is one of the most powerful false gods out there, and with good reason to be feared. Not only does he pack a monstrous army of 8 graboids, 8 werewolves, and 8 forest spectres, but he also carries an INSANE amount of control. 8 explosions, 6 steals, 6 congeals, 4 eagle's eyes, 6 gravity forces, and 4 thunderbolts. Combine that with 10 hourglasses, and you get an insane combo that focuses on pulling out powerful cards out quickly and effectively. Rainbow even carries along 4 improved miracles, for healing. In your post, the two cards you mentioned as "counters" aren't really counters at all, but merely things you can do delay your nearly inevitable death. Black holes seem to be a solution, but unless you have a nymph, and reusable black holes, his 48 quantum towers will probably pump out more quanta than you can drain. Rainbow could probably replace his gravity forces with perhaps better gravity cards like momentum, or elite chargers though. Overall, Rainbow is fine as he is, a hard False God.

(you should mention the true counters to rainbow are rol/hope and antimatter).

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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg468702#msg468702
« Reply #221 on: March 08, 2012, 07:43:22 am »
@Osiris Yeah, I meant what Puri said. I thought Higurashi was proposing adding one or two to help Osiris, rather than adding a whole tonne of them. Adding a lot would change his theme considerably, and would require more Momentums unless you want him to have a bunch of dead cards. Osiris with something like 4 (x2) Dunes and 4 (x2) Momentums could work out pretty well.

@Paradox I alwasy thought he would be cool with some Luciferns, maybe even a Hope.

@Rainbow I think he is a pretty hard god but his fat deck means he gets off to a slow start sometimes. I like the fact that he's well rounded, meaning you'll have an interesting fight against him with any deck- unlike Octane or Divine Glory. Personally I would like to see his Miracles swapped out- they're terribly terribly overused in FGs,

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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg471210#msg471210
« Reply #222 on: March 15, 2012, 11:41:08 pm »
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The king of poison without a doubt. Puffer Fish and Arsenic gives poison from every attack, Physalia will rack poison up every turn, and Deadly Poison will be the icing on the cake. Twin Universes to copy any card that may be favorable. He has Creature Control as well with the Permafrosts, Congeals, Ulithards, Ice Lances and Arctic Octopuses. He even has rushing power with the Abyss Crawlers and Arctic Dragon.

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So much poison you'd be crazy not to bring it
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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Scorpio https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg471228#msg471228
« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2012, 12:21:05 am »
@Scorpio:
He is very good at bypassing stalls, but is easily countered (mostly) with decks built to counter him. Fast damage, growing poison, and CC. He also has the random TU tossed in on a puffer or a dragon, for slightly more damage.

I would say good as is, difficulty wise compared to the other gods. Most of the worst games against him (for me) have been when he draws none of the aether cards to clog his draws.

However, the deck is certainly easily improvable. What I would consider would make him better:
-Posidon. -2 Ulthraid, -3 Aether tower, -2 TU. +1 Arsenic, +1 flooding, +2 Ice bolt.
Aether package doesn't fit in with his theme, and Poseidon does nothing. However, he ranks around "moderately difficult" He doesn't seem to get crazy hard.

If anything, I would just like to see a flooding or two tossed in for something, like the flayers. Doesn't make him that much harder or easier: He already has a lot of CC, and slightly slower water on his part would balance the crushing of Rol/hope. And it would make him the first god to have it.


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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Scorpio https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg471314#msg471314
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2012, 03:35:27 am »
Scorpio? What can I say? A very powerful false god relying on poison to kill you off along with fast powerful :water creatures. Nearly a newbie's worst nightmare when being spun in the oracle. While definitely very powerful, I think the sort of useless :aether cards and huge fat deck serve as some kind of balance to make him slightly more manageable. Either way, all things said, Scorpio is very powerful, with plenty of CC, and poison to get around shields.

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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Scorpio https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg471512#msg471512
« Reply #225 on: March 16, 2012, 09:45:12 pm »
Pretty much fine as is in effectiveness, but the Poseidon really is useless except for damage. I'd add some other Aether card to make the aether part of the deck more important.
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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Scorpio https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg473478#msg473478
« Reply #226 on: March 23, 2012, 08:11:51 pm »
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He utilizes the brutally simple yet effective "Shrieker Rush" with other high damage cards like Steel Golems, Basalt Dragons, and Silurian Dragons. However, this is not his key strategy. His strategy is to stop you from getting the quanta ever so needed with 12 Quicksands. Most of the time the game would end with you having no pillars/pendulums if you carelessly play them all at once. He can stall you out with his protected Diamond Shield, and 8 rewinds to reduce your chances of winning as close to zero as possible.

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Enchant Artifact/Protect Artifact
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If your deck relies heavily on quanta from Pillars/Pendulums you're pretty screwed without this card (even the one at a time strategy may not give you enough quanta).
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Re: Nerf or Buff? Featured FG: Seism https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26164.msg473552#msg473552
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2012, 02:06:53 am »
A lot of Seism's matches come down to whether or not you can get a PA off fast enough. That said, Seism is certainly a formidable foe, packing plenty of quanta control, and a mass onslaught of powerful creatures. No PC whatsoever though.

 

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