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Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16018#msg16018
« on: January 08, 2010, 03:00:01 am »
After a couple weeks of non-stop T50 rare weapons farming, i'm in sore need of cashola again.
Consequently, it's back to farming the FGs for fun and profit!

After reading through many of the threads in the "False God" forum here, as well as the "Rainbow Deck" forum, i'm thoroughly confused as to which decks have been made current (thread editing) with 1.17, and which are simply old topics with new posts in them.

If you think a deck is suitable for FG grinding here in 1.17, please post a link or a pic here!

Currently, i'm trying Scaredgirl's 40-card rainbow deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html), though mine is completely upgraded and i'm still getting a win rate of around 25%. Ideally, i'd prefer to be closer to 50%.
However, with the sundial nerf and AI improvements, perhaps 50% is simply overzealous?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16020#msg16020
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 03:21:33 am »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html)

Works swell. I took out the permafrost shield and added another bone wall and one quintessence. Either way works though, although I do recommend the extra quintessence.

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16084#msg16084
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 07:15:29 pm »
Honestly, I can't seem to win even 10% of the FG duels I do. I've tried a whole lot of decks, Puppychow's as well, and False Gods I used to be able to beat with almost 100% certainty, I can't even win once against them, let alone the harder ones. I seem to need to get really lucky to win.

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16096#msg16096
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 10:05:33 pm »
Using almost the same deck as SG's non-upped 40 card (the one linked) I can win probably 30% or so including the games I just abandon immediately on seeing my opponent.

Add in 1 more dimension shield, 2 quintessence, and 1 more quantum pillar and you have the deck I'm using.  Same seven upgrades as in SG's deck, plus about half my pillars (and elite queen, bone wall, and 1 bond, but I don't believe those make a big difference.  Got lucky and won the cards though so I use them).

Quit immediately against Divine Glory, Rainbow, Seism, Scorpio, Hermes, Obliterator, Graviton (you can win here but it takes a long time before you win or lose, so quitting immediately saves time and works out better), and if Morte gets an early arsenic when you don't have Steal in hand or a dimension shield chain ready to go.

You should win the rest more than half the time if you have upgraded hourglasses and Otys.  If you don't, they're still winnable but it won't be as consistent.

If you have fully upgraded decks available you can almost certainly do better than that deck though.

I think once I get 2 more Shards of Gratitude upgraded I may try to go Aether mark and rely on Dimension Shield instead of Sundial.  Use Aflatoxin to flood the opponent's side with Malignant Cells, then use Emerald/Ice/Titanium shield to make them harmless (Emerald seems nice since it has reflect and indestructable).  Once I come up with a decklist I'll post it here if it works, but I really think it wants SoG instead of Bonds since that frees up slots since you don't need graveyard or FFQ either then (and you probably win really slowly but I'm ok with that if it's more consistent).

zhen_rogue

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16256#msg16256
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2010, 07:39:23 pm »
After a lot of trial/error, i'm currently running this for 1.17 FG farming:
[NOW OUTDATED, SCROLL DOWN]


Mark of TIME

Upon adding the 3 Quintessence (from my previous version in post #1 above) my winning percentage went from say, 20-25% to 40-45% (it doubled).
Stragegy is simple:
-Draw as fast as you can right down to the bottom of the deck and use the Protect Artifact on your Eternity to avoid decking out. The only way you will deck out is if Eternity is your last card in the deck (and you can't steal a god's).
-Don't play an Otyugh, FFQ, or Druid unless you can cast Quintessence on them in the same turn.
-I find that the Permafrost shield works great vs. swarm decks, and it uses water to cast - which this deck didn't use, previously. I like having it as an option to the Bone Wall, in case my Otyughs or Fire Storm aren't available to keep it charged yet.
-The Purify will double your chances versus poison-based gods, and is ridiculously cheaper than Miracle for ultimately the same result. Plus it uses water, which is barely utilized in this deck (no need to upgrade it).
-I removed the Phase Shields, because there was too much demand for aether quanta with the Quinesssence. I don't miss them frankly, as the Permafrost Shield, Sundials, and Bone Wall keep me protected long enough to get my Quintessence creatures out there - and consequently take the initiative, removing the need for more defense.
-I wanted to make use of earth quanta (not used in this deck, other than 1 for Protect Artifact), but can't see a single card worth including in this setup.

I'll keep you posted with winning percentages, but after several hours i'm already leaps and bounds better than I was with post #1 above.
Please feel free to use this deck and report back, and/or please offer suggestions to make it better!

EDIT 1:
After 4-6 hours of combined testing, i'm looking at a ballpark 40% win rate vs. all the gods (no insta-quitting).
It all comes down to the draw frankly, I lose sometimes to 'easy' gods due to a lame-ass draw sequence, and win easily versus 'hard' gods if my draws are good.
-I'm tempted to drop one of the Otyughs, since the goal in this deck is typically to Quintessence a key creature right after it's cast - will try it.
-Annubis was attractive at first, but 3 turns, 8 time quanta/2 aether quanta, and the chance to get him firebolted/gravity pulled/lobotomized/congealed/etc. is too great a cost to immortalize my first non-Annubis creature. Quinessence does the same thing for 3 aether quanta and happens instantly, with no chance for counter.
-Also thinking of trying a Poseidon, water/earth quanta are available for early/mid game and tower denial might be a good addition - will try and test this as well.

zhen_rogue

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16709#msg16709
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 04:25:20 pm »
Updated Deck after 2-3 days of testing:


Mark of TIME

Currently seeing a 35% win rate versus all FGs, with no insta-quitting.
Might be able to get to 40% win rate by insta-quitting versus early-quicksand Seism.

Stragegy:
-Draw as fast as you can until you get Eternity/Protect Artifact in-hand. Use these 2 cards whenever game-appropriate to avoid decking out. Continue drawing as fast as needed to maintain advantage over opponent.
-Try and get Poseidon out ASAP - this card alone used early can win the game for you over a FG.
-Don't play an Otyugh, FFQ, or Druid unless you can cast Quintessence on them in the same turn.
-Try and only use Bone Wall if you can keep it charged with Firestorm and/or Otyughs. Otherwise, use Permafrost Shield.

This deck is still subject to bad draws/shuffles. If you start with no Quantum Towers and no Sundials in-hand, you are in trouble.
The typical False-God strategies posted by Scaredgirl still apply, especially in terms of what to steal from the FGs.

I'm still looking for any and all suggestions on how to refine this deck in an effort to efficiently farm the FGs.
If you have any input/advice, please post!

elfreth

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16747#msg16747
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 06:53:45 pm »
Input so far: Exact deck listed above 0 fer 10 vs false gods, 100% win vs AI5

Bleah...I liked when false gods were a challenge not a effing waste of rank.

YoYoBro

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16751#msg16751
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 07:07:53 pm »
AI improvements finally made FGs a challenge...

elfreth

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16761#msg16761
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 07:31:34 pm »
If by challenge you mean pointless waste of rank, then you are correct. 

It's either that or I get the worst opening draws EVER.

zhen_rogue

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16764#msg16764
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 07:40:08 pm »
If by challenge you mean pointless waste of rank, then you are correct. 

It's either that or I get the worst opening draws EVER.
Or even worse, you win, but lose the slots.
Over the weekend I had 0 slot wins in 11 games (33 spins).
Finally on the 12th game I had a win, which was good since I was about to throw my laptop through the window.

elfreth

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16765#msg16765
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 07:41:50 pm »
If by challenge you mean pointless waste of rank, then you are correct. 

It's either that or I get the worst opening draws EVER.
Or even worse, you win, but lose the slots.
Over the weekend I had 0 slot wins in 11 games (33 spins).
Finally on the 12th game I had a win, which was good since I was about to throw my laptop through the window.
Heh, I can totally relate...and it's even worse w/ the new netbook, so light and easy to throw really far! ;)

YoYoBro

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Re: Need input/opinions on best 1.17 FG grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1847.msg16767#msg16767
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2010, 07:43:01 pm »
Poor notebook :O

 

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