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Opponents, Strategy and Decks => False Gods => Topic started by: smuglapse on June 11, 2010, 06:22:29 am
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Perusing the Anti-false god deck board it is next to impossible to find a deck without some :aether in it.
Because whether your strategy is to use a few strong creatures, a swarm of smaller creatures, or to stall :aether has everything beat.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100213192237/elementsthegame/images/e/e7/QuintessenceUpgrade.png) - the best anti-creature control in the game.
Chaos Power, Heavy Armor, Blessing, having high HP creatures and the like protect your creatures from damage, but not against Rewind, Mutation, and Lobotomy. Only Immortal or Burrowed creatures have this power and burrow is an active skill only available for a few creatures. If you have a few creatures in your deck that have to retain their ability and not die, Quinting is essential.
Quint decks: Looks like all of yaladilae's, Rainbow with long title (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html), Nymph's Paradise (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7130.0.html), Non-upgraded Rainbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html), Sergio Leone (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7548.0.htmll), Nymphomania (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2630.0.html), Pharaoh (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4958.0.html), Fireflope (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6808.0.html)
(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/FractalUpgraded.png) - the best swarming in the game.
FFQ, Pharaoh, and Boneyard have the ability to produce multiple creatures, but of only one specific type. And if the generator is destroyed you have to hope to get another one out that doesn't suffer the same fate (see above Quint). Fractal is safely hidden in your hand until you are ready to pounce and can be used on any creature assuming you have the quanta to pay for it. So, if you're strategy is to overrun the FGs with a bunch of creatures, Fractal is essential.
Fractal decks: Pesty (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6020.0.html), RoL/Hope (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6546.0.html), Scarabs (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4765.0.html), Water (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6609.0.html)
(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/PhaseShield.png) - if you're strategy doesn't fit above and you are planning on stalling, Phase Shield is one of the best options. Bonewall and Permafrost may give it a run for its money but they are often left out in favor of Phase Shield.
Phase Shield decks: Aether/Rainbow/Time (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4383.0.html), Time/Aether (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4148.0.html), Fire Lance (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6758.0.html)
And if by chance a deck does not include one of these 3, odds are it has Twin Universe or Ball Lightning.
I am referring to all decks made in the last couple of months and/or have a high winning percentage.
So, is it possible to make a winning FG deck without :aether?
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Believe me, I am trying!
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Believe me, I am trying!
Yaladilae's next challenge :P
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Well, depends on what you mean when saying "without Aether". If you've got cards with skills using Aether is it by your definition using Aether? If you've got got a Fallen Druid in your deck and might get a mutant using Aether, is your deck using Aether?
Phase Shields aren't really necessary, Fractal is only needed in some builds.
Quintessence can be replaced by an Anubis - it's not an Aether card but uses Aether.
The original 30-card build of my Otydeck doesn't use Aether cards or in skills btw, though I wouldn't say it's got win rates like decks using Aether. But still it's a fast deck against easier gods.
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Well, depends on what you mean when saying "without Aether"
Without Aether cards in your deck.
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That would be easy lol
like getawu said, long as there is anubis!
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That would be easy lol
like getawu said, long as there is anubis!
Don't you think Rainbows with Quintessence are more effective than Rainbows with Anubis?
And Anubis benefits from having Quintessence or at the least Twin Universe.
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That would be easy lol
like getawu said, long as there is anubis!
Don't you think Rainbows with Quintessence are more effective than Rainbows with Anubis?
And Anubis benefits from having Quintessence or at the least Twin Universe.
you just limit yourself to rainbow, that wont get you very far =)
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Short answer: Yes. Aether is essential because it is clearly the best element; thus, it's logically an essential element in defeating the most powerful computer opponents in the game. When you see Yala saying "I'm trying!" on a deck idea, you know that it's a very, very tough one to make, and one that will NOT be better than other ones with :aether in it ;)
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Short answer: Yes. Aether is essential because it is clearly the best element; thus, it's logically an essential element in defeating the most powerful computer opponents in the game. When you see Yala saying "I'm trying!" on a deck idea, you know that it's a very, very tough one to make, and one that will NOT be better than other ones with :aether in it ;)
I second. Smuglapse's analysis looks solid enough--if you need neither strategically placed creatures or masses of creatures achievable only by fractal, you'd probably need phase shields to stall for quanta in a creatureless. At first glance there might be ways out via quantum denial without fractaling pests, or mass antimatter with antimatter cards and mortal purple nymph. I am wondering about the second idea in particular, whether it is possible to deflect creature control by putting multiple anubis down and not using their ability, since AI should target them. Or maybe FFQ decoys but they have 1 hp less.
Believe me, I am trying!
Good luck with the research Yala :D
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Just take extra shields and extra creatures. Extra shields for extra stalls (instead of phase shields) and extra creatures (doesn't matter if one dies, instead of quint)
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I thinks is a good thing , realy , i thinks all the element has too have synergy with all the other element.
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Well I use :aether all the time and I'm beating half-bloods.
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what about :time its more present in FG deck because you need that extra card to get your stuff faster
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I'm not sure if this would work well, but perhaps a deck could use a dissipation shield (upped or not) to stall pretty much as well as a phase shield against a fair amount of the gods.
Additionally, I think one of sacred girls suggested decks had no aether cards, relied on bonewalls and devour/firestorm.
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To answer your subject line's question: no. I made a mono-entorpy anti-FG deck quite nicely.
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To answer your subject line's question: yes. I made a mono-entorpy anti-FG deck quite nicely.
Then wouldn't the answer be "no"?
I suppose you mean the final question in the OP. ;)
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I think it's needed, 'cause the only other source of quint is anubis, that can die.
----Okay, it's not exactly needed.. but it helps, a lot.---
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FGs have a triple-mark and huge decks and presumably no 6-like-cards cap, so they can pack all sorts of control of both kinds and it's very hard to exhaust their supply and still draw breath. So quint and PA get more use there. Is Aether as universal in PvP, AI3/5, or T50? No, not really. PvP especially, since you really don't know what to expect. You get some wacky opponents there.
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I think it's needed, 'cause the only other source of quint is anubis, that can die.
----Okay, it's not exactly needed.. but it helps, a lot.---
A way lot. ;)
But I hope Glitch is right and the new cards allow for alternate strategies.
FGs have a triple-mark and huge decks and presumably no 6-like-cards cap, so they can pack all sorts of control of both kinds and it's very hard to exhaust their supply and still draw breath. So quint and PA get more use there. Is Aether as universal in PvP, AI3/5, or T50? No, not really. PvP especially, since you really don't know what to expect. You get some wacky opponents there.
Understood. That's why I put this in the False God section. Unfortunately, I based my War voting on my PvE experience, and I put :aether first. :(
blarg: yaladilae