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ghy

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''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21277#msg21277
« on: January 29, 2010, 10:31:14 am »
I would like to talk about ''Improved steal'' card. We found it in 40 cards deck like Ivalmian's deck.
- When I'm in a position of weakness, it does not change the situation
- When I'm in a position of strength, I do not need it.

After almost 200 games against the false gods, i seems it has never been helpful.

What do you think?

Hidhorse

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21279#msg21279
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 10:38:18 am »
You need a weapon, graveyard, hourglass, bond, shield?
Use a steal!
Also for pillars, to slow down the opponent.
One of my favorite cards in game.

yendorii

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21281#msg21281
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 10:58:08 am »
I agree with you Ghy. Rarely if ever has it actually changed the momentum or been key in my victory. I dropped it from my FG farming deck pretty early on. The FG's with permanent control will usually turn on anything you steal pretty quick and the ones without don't have much to steal. The only use I see in Steal is it's situational nature but 1 card in 40 is not very effective.

breach

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21293#msg21293
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 12:32:47 pm »
Steal is crucial against some gods, like taking Lobo from Gemini, Destiny's Eternity, sometimes even Fire Queen's Fahrenheit. not to mention Rainbow's Hourglasses, Incarnate's Graveyards...
it's one of the most powerful cards.

ghy

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21299#msg21299
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 02:21:18 pm »
Also for pillars, to slow down the opponent.
To slow down a FG  :o
I don't understant how one pillar stolen can slow down a FG?

teatime

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21302#msg21302
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 02:37:25 pm »
To slow down a FG  :o
I don't understant how one pillar stolen can slow down a FG?
Elidnis is somewhat short on ether towers, it helps if you remove them when he gets them. Also all my victories against Rainbow were when I got my steals early, while he did not get any (to get his early hourglasses). Obliterators Pulvy or Diamond shield can be very useful. Other useful items that can be stolen include an eagle eye from Fire Queen, Graveyard from Incarnate, hell sometimes even a single bone wall instance from Morte or Incarnate before I drop a couple of Fire Storms :)

I cannot imagine having a deck without a couple of steals. They saved my ass more than enough times.

Hidhorse

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21304#msg21304
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 02:49:13 pm »
It's even usefull to steal a light pillar from miracle to prevent a miracle 8)
Or a life pillar to stop the FFQ in the early rounds.
Water pillers to stop the ultra or lobo.
Small things witch may help.

tsu

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21307#msg21307
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 03:06:51 pm »
It's pretty useful IMO, as I can almost always find something I could use to help myself, hurt the FG or both. It's cheap and nothing else in the deck uses the same quantum - I actually play with 2 in my deck..

Kavlax

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21344#msg21344
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 04:32:02 pm »
I have used it to steal back my own pulverizer more than once that proved essential to a win. I have also used it to steal hourglasses, originally mine or not, which can be very important. Stealing a pillar they are low on can also help immensely. I keep 1 or 2 steals in the deck.

ivalmian

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21350#msg21350
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 05:02:45 pm »
In my deck steal is 1 in 40 precisely BECAUSE it is situational.

Against Gemini I use it to either steal lobo or gravity tower (both are essential since early lobo will effectively stop ALL of his momentum, while having a quinted oty by turn 3 is an automatic win, something you usually can't afford with just QT though)

Again Fire Queen I used it to steal ferral bond, this allows me to survive even while my shields are down and pretty much guarantees an EM if  I win (with 20 creatures I heal by 40HP, which is VERY nice)

Against Elidnis and Scropio it is UBER useful if you steal the aether tower early, or to steal a weapon (say the nasty arsenic) if the card is later on

Against Morte stealing Arsenic is often what saves me from being poisoned to death

Against Incarnate you more or less HAVE TO steal his boneyard if you don't want to be overwhlemed by his skellies.

Paradox/Rainbow/Destiny I like to steal their hourglass

Miracle.. I like to steal his early emerald tower since it prevents him to FF spam and also helps me get my own queen/druid combo going active... Later in the game I usually steal light tower in an attempt to slow down his miracle wall.

Chaos Lord, I always save my steal until I have 100+ damage worth from creatures and then I steal his dissapation shield and bam!, he is down to 50 HP :P

Other gods, other uses... but as you use, you generally DON'T need many steals, but against every god you need like ONE or TWO.. this is why I chose to have one and to use it situationally... Steal is often NOT a clear game changer, but it is also VERY useful and it is often a FREE card (since no other dark quanta are used in my and most other FG grinder decks).


cthulhu

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg21402#msg21402
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 09:10:32 pm »
Steal is great when you take a feral bond and have a graveyard and fire shield on the field. :)

ghy

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Re: ''Improved steal'' in 40 card deck rainbow against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2623.msg22122#msg22122
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 08:44:52 am »
Thank you for your answers. :)

I conclude my series of 100 games with ''improved steal" in my deck and I'll post my stats.
Although most of the players like to play with this card, I'll probably replace it with Quantum Tower.

 

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