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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7601#msg7601
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

I thought that Fireflies had higher priority than the Queen, but I lost a game to Gemini's Electrocuter because it lobo'd 2 Queens and a 1/6 Oty before it went after the FF.  Anyone know why it's different with Gemini's Electrocuter than the other gods' creature control?  Any tips on how to deal with an early Electrocuter while you wait for a Pulverizer?

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7602#msg7602
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

Sounds like bad luck.

I always hold a steal for gemini's lobo.

That and then rewind my own creatures after dealing with it so they can be re-cast with their abilities intact.

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7603#msg7603
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

I was wondering if some of the code got reworked. I used to wait to play my graveyards until i could play a bone wall since the AI would destroy the bone wall first. They have been targeting the graveyards recently.

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7604#msg7604
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

I thought that Fireflies had higher priority than the Queen, but I lost a game to Gemini's Electrocuter because it lobo'd 2 Queens and a 1/6 Oty before it went after the FF.  Anyone know why it's different with Gemini's Electrocuter than the other gods' creature control?  Any tips on how to deal with an early Electrocuter while you wait for a Pulverizer?
The decision to attack a creature with Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, Sniper or Freeze is based on the creature's attack. So if you have a battlefield with 1 Elite Queen, 1 Elite FF and a 1/6 Oty, the first target will always be FF (4 attack) then Queen (3 attack) then Oty (1 attack).

With Lobo, the decision is based on the target creature's summon cost (the upper right corner number). So, the queen's gonna be targeted first (cost 6) and, after that, there's a tie between Oty and FF (both cost 3). In this case, the AI simply chooses the first creature in the "slot order" (roughly the same as the order in which creature were played). If Oty entered the battlefield before FF, then it will take the lobo.

All details are here:
http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriskang/Sandbox/10

Sounds like bad luck.
There's actually very few luck with the AI's decisions ;)

I was wondering if some of the code got reworked. I used to wait to play my graveyards until i could play a bone wall since the AI would destroy the bone wall first. They have been targeting the graveyards recently.
For permanents, the decision is based on card's cost too.
While you use the unupgraded Boneyard (cost 3) and the unupgraded Bone Wall (cost 7), you're safe: Bone Wall will always be the first target. But after you upgrade both cost 5 and in this case each can be targeted by Destroy and Steal (depends on the play order again).

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7605#msg7605
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

I thought that Fireflies had higher priority than the Queen, but I lost a game to Gemini's Electrocuter because it lobo'd 2 Queens and a 1/6 Oty before it went after the FF.  Anyone know why it's different with Gemini's Electrocuter than the other gods' creature control?  Any tips on how to deal with an early Electrocuter while you wait for a Pulverizer?
The decision to attack a creature with Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, Sniper or Freeze is based on the creature's attack. So if you have a battlefield with 1 Elite Queen, 1 Elite FF and a 1/6 Oty, the first target will always be FF (4 attack) then Queen (3 attack) then Oty (1 attack).

With Lobo, the decision is based on the target creature's summon cost (the upper right corner number). So, the queen's gonna be targeted first (cost 6) and, after that, there's a tie between Oty and FF (both cost 3). In this case, the AI simply chooses the first creature in the "slot order" (roughly the same as the order in which creature were played). If Oty entered the battlefield before FF, then it will take the lobo.

All details are here:
http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriskang/Sandbox/10

Sounds like bad luck.
There's actually very few luck with the AI's decisions ;)

I was wondering if some of the code got reworked. I used to wait to play my graveyards until i could play a bone wall since the AI would destroy the bone wall first. They have been targeting the graveyards recently.
For permanents, the decision is based on card's cost too.
While you use the unupgraded Boneyard (cost 3) and the unupgraded Bone Wall (cost 7), you're safe: Bone Wall will always be the first target. But after you upgrade both cost 5 and in this case each can be targeted by Destroy and Steal (depends on the play order again).
Thanks for the answer Chris.

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7606#msg7606
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

Sounds like bad luck.
There's actually very few luck with the AI's decisions ;)


I didn't realize Lobotomizer used a different mechanism.

However knowing all this with certainty improves my play strategy, so thanks! :)

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Gemini's Electrocuter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=787.msg7607#msg7607
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

With Lobo, the decision is based on the target creature's summon cost (the upper right corner number). So, the queen's gonna be targeted first (cost 6) and, after that, there's a tie between Oty and FF (both cost 3). In this case, the AI simply chooses the first creature in the "slot order" (roughly the same as the order in which creature were played). If Oty entered the battlefield before FF, then it will take the lobo.
You sure about the tie-resolving? I assumed it was handled that way and played a queen before playing my elf (to an empty table), but still lost the elf to FQ's LoLbOw.

All details are here:
http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriskang/Sandbox/10
...except tie-resolving, and some less important bits like gravity pull.

 

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