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Marvaddin · « **on:** June 30, 2011, 11:41:30 pm »

This thread is intended to be a reference. Here you can see the proportion of a given card in any FG deck, towers and pendulum excluded.

Wanna see how probable is to get the upgraded card you want from farming all FGs? Will you consider it when upgrading cards next? Or will you suggest a new FG with cards no other FG uses and an exclusive strategy? Just curious about which cards are more used? Maybe, about how many FGs use cards of your favorite element? Well, here is the reference.

Example: Dissipation Shield is appointed as 2/33 to Chaos Lord. This means Chaos Lord base deck has 33 non-tower, non-pendulum cards, and 2 of these are Dissipation Shields. Double it for the real game total (4/66).

Ps: Nymphs are present for in game stats (you can know how many Nymphs a FG has), but when thinking about spins, remember they are converted to Relics. Relics stats consider converted Nymphs, just for spins.

Ps2: all FGs cards are upgraded, but both names of a card (if upgraded and unupgraded names are different) are listed, because some of the cards are much better known by their name on unupgraded form.

Enjoy! And feel free to post any curious fact about this

Spoiler for Other:

Spoiler for Entropy:

Spoiler for Death:

Spoiler for Gravity:

Spoiler for Earth:

Spoiler for Life:

Spoiler for Fire:

Spoiler for Water:

Spoiler for Light:

Spoiler for Air:

Spoiler for Time:

Spoiler for Darkness:

Spoiler for Aether:

Spoiler for All cards FGs dont have, rares excluded:

Here is another reference, courtesy of whatifidogetcaught?.

This shows the proportion of each Tower and Pendulum type for each FG base deck, considering all cards. Double for real in-game proportion. It also includes, just about curiosity, a mark reference for FGs (you cannot get mark cards from spins).

Spoiler for Towers, Pendulums and Marks:

twixy10 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2011, 11:25:57 pm »

Photon / Ray of Light

Chaos Lord (6/33); Ferox (6/34); Morte (6/38); Paradox (8/40)

I don't understand why paradox can use more than 12 copies of 1 card (16). It kind of violates the restriction of False Gods.

nice post

but I won't use it XD.

Marvaddin · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:31:42 am »

Well, looks like Paradox was one of the first FGs, looks like there was no such restriction that time.

I just made some changes, looks like some FGs had wrong data:

Akebono: -1 Gravity Force; +1 Overdrive

Hecate: +1 Eclipse; -2 Nightmare; total cards: 24 to 23.

Interesting fact #1: cards used by more FGs are Unstoppable and Explosion. Each of this is used by 7 FGs. Chaos Lord and Graviton use both of them.

parasite99 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:36:00 am »

Thx a lot Marv for gathering all that data for us

I think I'll have that in mind next time that I'll upgrade cards.

Jenkar · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2011, 09:09:08 am »

Awesome. If I remember correctly, the formula to get a card is : the computer chooses 5 cars, at random, that are not pillars. Then, he spins them in da wheels?

ddevans96 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:06:13 pm »

Close, but not correct. Let me find the quote (warning - the quote is very outdated , so I'll spoiler it.

Quote from: Evil Hamster on December 15, 2009, 10:09:56 pm

After MUCH digging around on the flashkit forum, I have found the mysterious secrets of the magical slot machine (http://board.flashkit.com/board/showpost.php?p=4178125&postcount=321)

Quote from: zanzarino
Well I will reveal the mystery about the spinning wheel:

The program takes the opponent deck and randomly finds 5 non pillar cards, the 5 non pillars cards are used for the spinning, so the possible combinations are

5^3=125

the winning combinations are

5

If all the 5 cards are different, the chance to win with a single spin is:

5/125 = 4%
(that's why I said 5%, it is actually 4, but there is a small chances that 2 or more of the same card will be used)

However, if a deck is specialized, the chances to have more cards of the same kind in the cards pool are higher, if 2 of the five cards are the same the chance to win is:

((2^3)+2) / 125 = 11/125 = 8.8%

etc... so, putting it in a table:

5 different cards = 4% winning chance
4 different cards = 8.8% winning chance
3 different cards = 23.2% winning chance
2 different cards = 52% winning chance
all cards are the same = 100%

That means that from a deck with only one kind of non-pillar card you'll win for sure, BUT....

In the new version I added something else: the program has only 50 chances to find all the 5 non-pillar cards, if it is not successfull at doing that it will start drawing pillars as well. This way, playing against a pillar only deck will give you 3 pillars. Statistic for almost all pillar decks gets quite complicated.
Actual step by step walkthrough:
Quote from: chriskang
1. Pick a random card in your opponent's deck
2. If it's a pillar, go back to 1
3. Security mechanism (for builds that are composed of pillars only) : if, after 10 random picks, you still get a pillar then keep it
4. Store card in variable card1.
5. Repeat steps 1 to 4, until you have filled 4 variables
6. Now the spinning starts for 3 rounds but you only pick cards in [card1, card2, card3, card4]. This ways, the chances to pick 3 times the same one are much higher.
EDITED by Mr. Jellyfish:

Quote from: chriskang on October 13, 2009, 09:29:05 am
I wish I had seen this before... I wouldn't have explained everything again here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,712.msg7409#msg7409).

A few comments though:

* The first part of the algorithm creates what I call a "shortlist" of 5 cards, but only the first 4 are actually used afterwards (and that's what really counts). So the chances to get something are higher than what Zanzarino says. I don't know if it's bug or not, but that's how it works.

* The mechanism to prevent infinite loops described at the end of the post, doesn't stop searching for non-pillar cards after 50 failed attempts but after 10. That makes the risks to get a pillar from the spinning wheel much higher for builds that have about 50% pillars (or more). Also, only elemental pillars, elemental towers and quantum pillars are excluded. For some reasons, quantum towers are considered valid.

* There are also 2 undescribed mechanisms:
- one that converts every card into its non-upgraded version if you're not fighting against a fake god. This mechanism takes place after the exclusion of pillars, so quantum towers might be chosen in first place and then converted into quantum pillars (that's common in PvP)
- and another that has a 10% chance to replace the first card of the shortlist by a shard, if you're fighting against a fake god. The shard inserted here is always the one that upgrades into Shard of Divinity.

The important part is the second quote in the spoiler. From what I understand, the game picks a random card in the deck. If it's a pillar, it repeats the that step, unless a pillar has been picked a certain number of times. It repeats this process until it has a certain number of variable cards, and these are what appear in the slots.

Even though the quote itself is outdated, it still seems to be similar to how the slots work today.

Marvaddin · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2013, 03:21:02 am »

Updated February 13rd, 2013.

Changes:

- New cards added.
- Shards moved to respective elements.
- 2 Shard of Focus added to Akebono and Osiris. Akebono total cards changed from 17 to 19, Osiris total cards changed from 16 to 18.
- Added deck code with all non-rare cards FGs dont have. (Credits to whatifidogetcaught?)

Updated February 15h, 2013.

- Added reference for Towers, Pendulums and Marks. (Credits to whatifidogetcaught?)

Author

Marvaddin

Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg358966#msg358966

twixy10

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg359929#msg359929

Marvaddin

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg365236#msg365236

parasite99

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg365240#msg365240

Jenkar

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg365831#msg365831

ddevans96

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg366035#msg366035

Marvaddin

Re: Reference: cards proportion in FGs decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28120.msg1041739#msg1041739