[JFF Part 2] Screenshots & Discussions

[YoYoBro]

Damn my connection interrupts now and I didn't notice there were 2 gods to beat ffs >_<

[kiszol]

Last, but not least, here comes Kerrigan.

Screen:


My deck:


Ok, I beat every single God, so I can relax a bit now
Congrats to all who participated in this challenge, and tried to beat even one God!

My stats against the 9 Gods in JFF2 Challenge:

(God: Deck type I used, Sundial/No Sundial)
Opus: Rainbow, Sundial
Big Bang: Rainbow, Sundial
Darude: Non Rainbow, Sundial
Chtonian: Non Rainbow, Sundial
Rodgort: Non Rainbow, No Sun
Xerxes: First win with Rainbow, No Sun; Second win: Non Rainbow, No Sun
Betelgeuse: Non Rainbow, No Sun
Tardis: Non Rainbow, No Sun
Kerrigan: Non Rainbow, No Sun

As you see, when the challenge started I just wanted to win as fast as possible becouse of the race for the points, so I used a Rainbow deck with Sundials. Later, I tried to find Non nice and easy NR NS decks to win
I have 5 NR NS victories out of the 9 Gods, 2 NR but Sun, and 2 with both problems. If I'll have time, I'll try to fix it, and have a win against all of the 9 Gods without Sundial and with a Non Rainbow deck. This will prove that even the hardest "Demon False Gods" are still beatable without a boring rainbow deck and without Sundials.

Chris, I really liked this challenge, thank you very much for it! The modifications you made resulted much more interesting fights against these hard guys and when I decided not to use QTs, it was really challenging to come up with a promising deck against each God.
I eagerly wait for the next challenge and for the Championship

[chriskang]

This will prove that even the hardest "Demon False Gods" are still beatable without a boring rainbow deck and without Sundials.

The "boring" part actually depends on the environment effect. In JFF Part 2, the Realm of Earth was clearly designed to promote the use of a rainbow deck (the 4 card limit being a serious problem for mono-decks). On the other hand, the Realm of Entropy in JFF Part 1 was designed for mono-decks and is nearly impossible to beat with rainbow.
Try to kill Mowgli with a rainbow and tell me again that it's "boring".

This challenge applies to everyone: I'll bow to the first person who posts a screenshot of him killing Mowgli with a rainbow deck.

I eagerly wait for the next challenge and for the Championship

I know for sure that there will be an event on December 12th. If enough people are interested it'll be the championship, otherwise JFF Part 3.
I'm then in holidays from December 19th to January 9th. So if the championship is in December, JFF Part 3 will be on January 16th at best.

[Bloodshadow]

Is Big Bang supposed to be that hard? Or is it just for non-rainbows? I beat him with a rainbow pretty easy; that's the battle when I FORGOT TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT.

[Scaredgirl]

This challenge applies to everyone: I'll bow to the first person who posts a screenshot of him killing Mowgli with a rainbow deck.

That's too easy because there's a loophole in this challenge. All I have to do is make a mono-aether, and then take a couple of extra skills to make that mono-deck a rainbow deck.

But don't worry, I'll save you the embarrassment of having to bow to me.

If we are talking about beating Mowgli with an anti-False God rainbow deck, then I would say that it's impossible because of that insane mana burn.

[chriskang]

Is Big Bang supposed to be that hard?

All Gods are designed to be somewhat hard BUT beatable. That's just my definition of "fun".
Most players would quit if they weren't able to kill a God after 2 hours.

[kiszol]

The "boring" part actually depends on the environment effect. In JFF Part 2, the Realm of Earth was clearly designed to promote the use of a rainbow deck (the 4 card limit being a serious problem for mono-decks). On the other hand, the Realm of Entropy in JFF Part 1 was designed for mono-decks and is nearly impossible to beat with rainbow.
Try to kill Mowgli with a rainbow and tell me again that it's "boring".

I admit that you are right but we were talking about different things. In the original game, players used to grind False Gods with just the same anti FG rainbow deck boosted up with sundials. If someone tries your trainer and fights against the new Gods, he will find that he has the best chances with rainbow decks in overall. There could be some expectations, for example Realm of Entropy, what you mentioned, but for most of the Gods (whether the old or the new ones doesn't really matter), you only have to set up some kind of standard rainbow deck and keep trying till you are lucky enough to execute the God. That is the thing what we (at least SG,YYB and me I guess) don't like and that's what I call boring. It's much more fun if people need to think of a really good (NOT RAINBOW) deck for each God. This would result different decks for all Gods and - imo - more exciting and challenging game.

For example, you mentioned realm of Earth what is "clearly designed to promote the use of a rainbow deck". You are right, the effects of this realm really make the non rainbow victory very hard. But, if you check it, you will see that I killed all the 3 Earth Gods with a non rainbow deck. It was great fun for me, and if I would have punched these Gods with the "ordinary" FG deck I would surely fall asleep in the meanwhile...

Anyway, I like the new effects and I don't mind if sometimes the rainbow decked victory is easier... I'll do it if I should. But everyone has to know, that he DON'T NEED TO USE a rainbow deck against FGs, there are other ways.

This challenge applies to everyone: I'll bow to the first person who posts a screenshot of him killing Mowgli with a rainbow deck.

Well, Mowgli is not an easy guy. Tons of creatures... Ulitharids... some Rewinds... huge Bone Walls... that crazy Discord... ugly
While I like challenges, I tried to do this one too, and finally I did it. It took me ~1,5 hours what is not that bad I guess. After I had my final deck, I only had to start 4-5 games to win once.

Screen:


Deck:


Yes, it's not the typical rainbow deck and not a typical victory, but no one said it has to be. And it's definitely rainbow.
Hands together no offense Chris, I don't say that the rainbow victory is easy as pie, moreover I say that a Mono/Duo deck would be much better.

Try to kill Mowgli with a rainbow and tell me again that it's "boring".

I did that. You don't have to bow
And it wasn't boring!

[Scaredgirl]

Nice one kiszol.

Yep, Phase Shield is the key. Unless you can play it during the first 3-4 turns, you are pretty much dead.

Him decking out is probably the only way you can do it. If not for those Feral Bonds you could probably kill him with poison.

[kiszol]

Nice one kiszol.

Yep, Phase Shield is the key. Unless you can play it during the first 3-4 turns, you are pretty much dead.

Him decking out is probably the only way you can do it. If not for those Feral Bonds you could probably kill him with poison.

Thanks!
Just as you said. Play nothing in the first 2 turns, than play a Shield if you can (but you can't in most of the cases) otherwise play a Sundial if you have one. Don't draw a card with it after it's first turn, and draw after the second one only if you really have to, otherwise save your cards for not decking out... Be aware that you might need some Sundial for the end game, when Mowgli starts to momentum his big guys and you don't have more rewinds... In mid game you should use Dissipation Shield. He won't have momentumed creatures so far and you have ~15 Towers, so the Shield will probably save you for 5-10 turns...
Another key fact is that Mowglis Discord effect doesn't work through Dimensional and Dissipation Shield.

Poison could be another option without FB-s yes, but unfortunately Mowgli has 2 Purify too...

[Scaredgirl]

Poison could be another option without FB-s yes, but unfortunately Mowgli has 2 Purify too...

Yeah.. I forgot about those.

[kiszol]

Yeah.. I forgot about those.

So maybe his deckout is the only rainbow option.
But Mowgli should be very hard with a mono/duo deck also. Guys in JFF1 (hardly!) beat him with lots of Gratitude Shards... While Mowgli doesn't have ANY kind of permanent control (what is his only but big weakness), having some SoG in your deck is a huge benefit!

[chriskang]

For example, you mentioned realm of Earth what is "clearly designed to promote the use of a rainbow deck". You are right, the effects of this realm really make the non rainbow victory very hard. But, if you check it, you will see that I killed all the 3 Earth Gods with a non rainbow deck. It was great fun for me, and if I would have punched these Gods with the "ordinary" FG deck I would surely fall asleep in the meanwhile...

With enough time, any correctly designed deck can probably beat any God. And between all those good decks, rainbow is for sure the one with the highest success rate overall. There's not much I can do against that, except maybe nerf some key cards as we said in the other thread. But if you look carefully at some realms, you should see that some environment effects are there just to promote a certain type of deck. For example, in the realm of Entropy, when your typical boring anti-god rainbow has a 10% success rate, you can easily design a good mono-aether with more than 50% success. IMO, that's where the real heart of the challenge is. Beating the God is easy, you just have to restart until you get a perfect draw. But finding the best possible deck to deal with the environment effects and the God's deck is somewhat harder.

Congratulations for your victory *bows*