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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216260#msg1216260
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2015, 04:57:27 pm »
@Flayne
I could see reasonably including at least 3 PA's in a deck
-1 for themis
-1 for pillars
-1+ for a sanctuary(ies).

After that you would run morning star for damage output and mirror shield to handle possible spell damage based counters.
You could add in miracles and maybe stoneskin or SoD for max HP boost.

It would slowly chew down your opponent while you would be kept safe from creature attacks by themis.
The PA's would keep your permanents safe from PC. Sanctuary would give you the edge in the event of an enemy weapon.

Granted, the upkeep is annoying on themis, but powering the deck off of light pillars and an earth mark is feasible.

This may be less efficient than some stall decks but I think it locks down the damage tighter than most. Essentially, you have an infinite sundial going... Its like a dim shield on crack!
Even with the upkeep, I think its too strong.
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216263#msg1216263
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 05:29:35 pm »
Spoiler for Golden Apple | Apple of Discord:
NAME:
Golden Apple
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Creatures fight each other instead of players this turn.
A random creature receives +1|+1
NAME:
Apple of Discord
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Creatures fight each other instead of players this turn.
A random creature receives +2|+1

ART:
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NOTES:
Theme

All creatures, both opponent's and yours are affected by this.
"this turn" means turn of casting and then the opponent's turn afterward. Like Sundials.
For each creature when it attacks a target creature is randomly assigned. It can attack opposing creature, ally or even itself.
The buff to the random creature is added at the time of casting.

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« Last Edit: November 27, 2015, 08:04:08 pm by Treldon »
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216264#msg1216264
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 06:06:09 pm »
@OdinVanguard,

Spoiler for Hidden:
While in theory this could go exactly as you have put it,
with all due respect there are flaws that are immediately visible:

 What you describe is the maximum potential of the Themis centric stall deck.

However as with all stall decks they follow a common rule,
They all require time and luck to set up properly, if they cannot set it up on time and with the appropriate quantity/cards, 
It obviously can bring about negative results to the user, resulting in their loss.

Your version of a Themis centric  stall deck involves the need of several cards,
(At least the one you presented)
First of all,

- You need at least 4-5 pillars (assuming you have a mark other than :light )
- PA for the pillars
- secondly Themis
- PA for Themis
- Then I need my source of healing Vs Weapons
(sanctuary)
- and along with that a third PA
- Morning Glory
- Reflective shield
- Potentially pendulums for Stone skin, needs a decent
Amount of :earth to be of use. :Earth mark alone isnt enough.
- And hey, why not, lets slap a Fourth PA for the pendulums
- Miracle, And as i said, as soon as you use Miracle, Themis is dead along with its PC immunity
 Unless you want to transform it first... Except you need :fire to do so:

- Source of :fire for Protecting Themis from Miracle
Or - have 2 more PAs (6 in total now, max.) to replace the Themis that is destroyed
Everytime I use miracle.

Etc...

That setup... Is massive and is gonna hit a lot of bumps making it extremely difficult to execute perfectly and reach the maximum potential you describe, especially if you're versing :darkness (pest, steal) :earth ( earthquake, Pulverizer) :gravity (blackhole) :water (trident though also :earth, Chrysaora), :fire (explosions) :death (Arsenic, Deadly poison) etc...



Secondly: You're assuming :light couldn't already do this effectively
before Themis existence.
If anything, it is better NOT to use Themis in a :light stall deck because of the heavy upkeep that places pressure on a certain type of stall deck that worked perfectly fine until a new center (or important) card with a (heavy) form of upkeep was introduced to over-complicate what was supposed to be simpler and easier.

Not to mention the card space that Themis and the extra PAs occupy, possibly throwing the whole deck off balance due to affecting the probability of drawing the cards necessary.



See where I'm going?

With all due respect I don't see this being even near as overly strong as you do

And Lets face it:

ANY deck including stall decks has a Maximum potential.
I could describe the maximum potential of having a centric Dim shields + PA deck
In a duo of :earth :aether.
Does that make Dim shields op? Not really (Though the sight of one on my opponents side repulses me)
though historically many people considered both Dim and PA, OP.
[Not to mention new players using Mono-Aether alone is already a nuisance to even some experienced players]
(Yes I got that from the "thank you competition thread" and it made me laugh, but nevertheless its true in some aspects)

In the end they weren't OP, individually or together, Because?
Not easy to Set-up / too situational, again, That's right, it is very situational and it can be very difficult to set up such a stall to its maximum potential or alternatively, to its perfection.

From what I can see, this card is not an exception.

EDIT: @Treldon, Your card has a typo,Creaturers fight each other instead... -> Creatures.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2015, 07:51:02 pm by Flayne »
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216442#msg1216442
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2015, 07:52:28 pm »
Spoiler for Aegis:
NAME:
Aegis
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
5 :aether
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: Reduce damage by 1.
:air :air : Thunderous Roar
All creatures that hear it are delayed for one turn.
NAME:
Aegis
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: Reduce damage by 1.
:air :air : Thunderous Roar
All creatures that hear it are delayed for one turn.

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Aegis was a shield used by Zeus, that he sometimes lent to Athena. It made a terrible roaring sound during the battle. When Zeus shook it, clouds would cover Mount Ida and men would hide in fear (ie be delayed).

http://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Elements/Aegis/aegis.html

In this cardy version, you shake the shield and it makes a roar that delays all creatures that hear it.

Creatures that can't hear it:
- Burrowed creatures
- Creatures hiding from the sound (ones that it delayed last turn)

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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216485#msg1216485
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2015, 10:01:46 am »
Either my computer can't upload to imgur, or it takes way longer than I thought.

Spoiler for Hidden:
NAME:
Pandora's Box
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
7 :aether
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
N/A when flying
TEXT:
Generate :fire per turn. When your :fire reaches 10, deal 1 damage to all creatures. Chaos occurs. Set :fire to 10.
NAME:
Pandora's Box
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
6 :aether
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
N/A when flying
TEXT:
Generate :fire  per turn. When your :fire  reaches 10, deal 1 damage to all creatures. Chaos occurs. Set :fire to 12.

ART:
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This is based off the myth of Pandora's box, which held all the worst things in the world. It was originally gifted to the woman Pandora by the god Zeus, hence the  :aether cost(could be  :air or  :light though). Zeus told Pandora never to open it, knowing that her curiosity would increase until she opened it anyway (represented by  :fire, I thought that represented curiosity best).
When she did, it released all the demons evil spirits into the world, sewing chaos and strife into the world (pandemonium and damage). Afterwards, the only thing left in the box was the spirit of hope (minimum light quanta).

It would probably remove invisibility.
If you have multiple, they all activate at once!
Damage happens before pandemonium.
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« Last Edit: November 30, 2015, 08:30:58 am by Espithel »
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216555#msg1216555
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2015, 11:09:45 pm »
Either my computer can't upload to imgur, or it takes way longer than I thought.

A lot of people are having that issue too.

If push comes to shove, I'll do it for people, but only if they've actually tried first.

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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216556#msg1216556
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2015, 11:20:13 pm »
Quote from: 1011686
Either my computer can't upload to imgur, or it takes way longer than I thought.

Did you try clicking on "save PNG."
Then going directly to imgur website > upload images > browse computer?
Then you right click on the uploaded image and click "copy image url"

Then paste image url on the format that comes when you click (on card image builder) post to forums (or the button that takes you the page before that)
« Last Edit: November 28, 2015, 11:21:54 pm by Flayne »
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216629#msg1216629
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2015, 06:12:32 pm »
Spoiler for Hidden:
NAME:
Lernean Hydra
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5 | 6
TEXT:
Every turn Lernean Hydra takes damage and survives it heals itself 10 HP and gains +3|+3
NAME:
Lernean Hydra
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 8
TEXT:
Every turn Lernean Hydra takes damage and survives it heals itself 10 HP and gains +3|+3

ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
Your turn and your opponent's turn are separate for the effects of this card, so if you damage the Hydra it heals and gains the boost at the end of your turn. If the opponent damages it, it heals and gains the boost at the end of its turn.
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216632#msg1216632
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2015, 08:28:45 pm »
Either my computer can't upload to imgur, or it takes way longer than I thought.

A lot of people are having that issue too.

If push comes to shove, I'll do it for people, but only if they've actually tried first.
Can you please change the ability cost to :death :death for my Cerberus? I would, but I need to study for tomorrow. :/
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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1216663#msg1216663
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2015, 07:16:59 am »
Either my computer can't upload to imgur, or it takes way longer than I thought.

A lot of people are having that issue too.

If push comes to shove, I'll do it for people, but only if they've actually tried first.
Can you please change the ability cost to :death :death for my Cerberus? I would, but I need to study for tomorrow. :/

Consider it done.

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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1218228#msg1218228
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2015, 05:35:19 pm »
I just noticed that I won this one. :O There was no announcement.

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Re: 5-3: Go to Nyx! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60573.msg1218234#msg1218234
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2015, 07:57:20 pm »
Please excuse the delayed announcement as the new Card Curators get settled in and learn the (new) ropes of being a CC!
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