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Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1283899#msg1283899
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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1283905#msg1283905
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 03:07:02 pm »
Round 1
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EC: Religious
Extra salvage and less discard is good. Cards are better than relics. and relics are better than upgrades.

Gen vs  :gravity
The like to play rush and domin decks vs us. Rush will lose to our rush due to upgrades.
Therefore stall or control is expected. Something that beats that. DBH? or darkness duo

 :darkness
The like to use stalls, bows and sop vs us.
DBH bow is one option.

 :time
Stall works unless they have eternity. it is a gamble.
Bow always works.

 :fire
They like to play firestall or rush vs us.
Bow with desications is one option. Stalling is another? I need to see the size of their stalls.


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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1283912#msg1283912
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 09:43:07 pm »
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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1284840#msg1284840
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2019, 09:56:02 pm »
Round 3
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Gen vs  :water
They will probably use some control to get the edge over a rush deck. We can't stall here due to sop.
That limits our options. DBH is the obvious answer, maybe predicted. I don't really see what they have that can beat that?
Duo DBH would be my suggestion, with chaos.

 :death
Wings, BW and dims. Will brake most of our choices. They may expect a DBH here. I'd go stall here. 40 card version. We haven't used it so far in war so should be a surprise.
PU Psions is also a good option+ we haven't used it yet.LT Poison deck is also an option.

 :air
Air will be super hard. They will surely bring wings to block disco, bow and more. They know entropy lacks PC a bit.
They probably expect something like PUgons, DBH or stall. I don't know if their stall can deal with all that. Otherwise they need to go rush. So what is faster PU Psions or their speed air deck? I like PU Psions here because we haven't used it yet. Deuce has harder to predict something he hasn't seen. Not much else we can do here. Bow and a lot more gets busted by wings. And dims+BW gets busted by Sofree. Could still take a chance on dims though.

 :aether Gen
Same deck again. A bigger stall or super fast bow.


« Last Edit: February 06, 2019, 11:30:52 am by Blacksmith »
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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1285105#msg1285105
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 07:57:14 pm »
Round 4
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Gen vs :earth
A strong opponent with plenty of options. Last time they played a dark domination deck. Possibly made to counter discos.
They could just as well run bows, sop-wardens, stall and domination again.
A fast bow with discos can deal with most of their decks. We could also run stall ourselves, but I'ts a bit risky.


 :aether
Roll the dies. We have to discuss this one. I don't know what to predict.

 :life Gen
They haven't done very well this war. Gone 3-9 this war despite having a good team on the paper.
They were afraid of disco last time and run bow. Lost to dim chain and rng.
They probably bring something to beat Dims for certain. A frogtal is quite likely.
A fast bow with disco and 2 explosions should beat most of their decks. Darkness duo should work too. DBH also an option but I'd prefer bow.

http://dek.im/d/z85de5c5z461tz47buz57aez380i8pu Frogtal

 :gravity
They are now down on 102 cards. We should be able to figure out roughly what they have left.
They tried DBH last time and lost vs a better dbh. They are running out of options. Bow with extra CC is an option. DBH again is an option. PU Psions is also an option.
RT splash also an option.

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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1285482#msg1285482
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2019, 11:14:26 am »
Round 5
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This is another cool round. Only one to really worry about is air and they face the hardest round of this war. Other things worth noticing, aether gets a super easy round. They will recover.

Conclusion for this round. Stall is pretty much ruled out for us and all of our opponents have access to stalls themselves. Only air can compete with the speed of our bow. Which will make control decks and stall more likely. It seems we don't have a lot of different decks to choose from this round and decks like chaos psions could be used in all matchups with ease. It will br a struggle finding the right deck for the right opponent, but we can do it.

 :time
A tricky opponent due to their large vault. The risk of them bringing etirnity is to big for us to play a stall.
Rol hope is likely and ghostmare. They have played unusually many stalls this war. I don't think stalls are to likely vs us since we can easily beat them. Then again they played a stall vs us round 1. Time isn't a very good stalling element imo.

So what can beat both rol hope, ghostmare and stall?
Chaos Psions?  Fractal dragons? Bow?

 :air
This is what I wrote last time. They ended up playing stall beating our explosive maxwell deck.

Air will be super hard. They will surely bring wings to block disco, bow and more. They know entropy lacks PC a bit.
They probably expect something like PUgons, DBH or stall. I don't know if their stall can deal with all that. Otherwise they need to go rush. So what is faster PU Psions or their speed air deck? I like PU Psions here because we haven't used it yet. Deuce has harder to predict something he hasn't seen. Not much else we can do here. Bow and a lot more gets busted by wings. And dims+BW gets busted by Sofree. Could still take a chance on dims though


Deuce has said 2 things of interest. They soon have enough sofree for 2 decks and that he felt he couldn't beat all of our decks with one deck. He had to pick a deck to beat.

It's probably predicted but a heavily upgraded bow is an option. DBH another option. Side deck bow is also an option, problem is that we need plenty of relics in that case.
Dims fractal. Chaos Psions, good vs wings.

We did fear Sofree rush, darkdomain and UG last time and Deuce knows that. He may predict us to play something that does well vs that again. He'd also expect something that can deal with their stall.

Chaos psions is the only deck we haven't shown yet. Maybe it's time to bring it. With 16 upps it probably beats their rushes.

 :water
They faced a heavy blow last round losing 0-4. We can probably rule out a few decks from their arsenal.
What I wrote round 3:

They will probably use some control to get the edge over a rush deck. We can't stall here due to sop.
That limits our options. DBH is the obvious answer, maybe predicted. I don't really see what they have that can beat that?
Duo DBH would be my suggestion, with chaos.

They did play stall and we played a poison deck.
Options are a fast bow with 2 deflags, fractal+ dims, chaos psions, DBH

 :light
They've done unexpectedly well this war. Even if I'm not a complete fan of all of their builds.
They did play a bad rustler deck last time. We don't need to fear that since it loses so hard to disco.

Main concerns are: immortal, blessed pegas ( less likely due to disco ) and rol hop

Our problem is that only DBH, Bow with desication and chaos psions beats rol hope. or stall?

Options:
A bow with desication and sop is one option( side board ). DBH another, psions a third. Fractal decks,


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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1285554#msg1285554
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2019, 01:50:09 am »
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DBH
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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1285933#msg1285933
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 08:02:25 pm »
Round 6

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I'm really mad today due to real life stuff. So lets go and win this. I won't accept anything but a 4-0 win here.

:aether
awaiting wm's reply

In case of aether again we just go with what isn't needed in other matchups. Preferably bow is left. Or if stall turns out to be good in testing.


:death
We need to look at decks they might have lost.

Written round 3
"Wings, BW and dims. Will brake most of our choices. They may expect a DBH here. I'd go stall here. 40 card version. We haven't used it so far in war so should be a surprise.
PU Psions is also a good option+ we haven't used it yet.LT Poison deck is also an option."
We went with stall and won, of course.

Stall or DBH are the obvious answers. Why? because they beat them pretty easily.
Either that or bow.

:darkness
The second most likely winner of this war. They played a bad mono last time and won vs a bad poison deck.
I'm certain they will make more of an effort now. And so will we. Entropy haven't won in the last 9 matches vs them.
They love domination. Lightings, siphons etc. Stall.

Good thing is that most of the decks they usually play vs us struggels with disco. We can play disco bow.
Fractal deck ( problem is only 2 fractal ). We can also play stall. I don't think they will predict that to much.
Can't play DBH.

Threats:
Sop dials bow thingy http://dek.im/d/z54vjz45rpz35v0z37hiz57t6z17t7z17tb7th8pt
Stall http://dek.im/d/z15liz55lmz45ukz15uoz35uszA606z57q97t8z27tbz17tc8pq
CC heavy http://dek.im/d/z24stz35ukz55usz15ul622z57t4z27tbz580a8pu

:earth

Written round 4
"A strong opponent with plenty of options. Last time they played a dark domination deck. Possibly made to counter discos.
They could just as well run bows, sop-wardens, stall and domination again.
A fast bow with discos can deal with most of their decks. We could also run stall ourselves, but I'ts a bit risky."


We ended up playing a weird bow that beat their Terratides. Very happy for that. The big threats remains:

Immortal   < likely
Terratides  < less likely
Bloodrizer  < likely
Bow          < quite likely

They have played a lot of mono earth based nymph decks. In their shooes I wouldn't risk terratides again. They want PC in order to deal with wings.  If they bring immortal it will be a bigger version probably.

I'd suggest bow again. Maybe with etirnity splash or something to deal with immortal. DBH is another option. I wouldn't dare stalling.


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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1286222#msg1286222
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 08:36:43 pm »
Round 7

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:fire
We need to have a look at what's left first.

:light Gen
Basically same reasoning as last time. Just pick what we want to counter and go ahead.

:time
At this point we're only interested in breaking even right? So etirnity stall?. If game gets voided, fine. If game gets ruled in our favour due to stalmate, fine. Throw in a dragon and we win by damage. You need healing in order for etinrity to beat stall. They didn't even bring etinrity in their 60 card stall.


:air Gen
We need to have a look at what's left first.


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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1286519#msg1286519
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2019, 10:13:24 pm »
Round 8

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Finally we get a "easy" round. No gens and all bottom teams.

 :earth

I wasn't very impressed with their last deck choice.

Pulvy or Sop is always expected when playing vs earth. WHich also narrows their choices.

DBH again, they think it's dead. Maybe bow version. Needs some testing. I need to think more about this later.

 :darkness

No thank you.

Written round 6:
The second most likely winner of this war. They played a bad mono last time and won vs a bad poison deck.
I'm certain they will make more of an effort now. And so will we. Entropy haven't won in the last 9 matches vs them.
They love domination. Lightings, siphons etc. Stall.

Good thing is that most of the decks they usually play vs us struggels with disco. We can play disco bow.
Fractal deck ( problem is only 2 fractal ). We can also play stall. I don't think they will predict that to much.
Can't play DBH.

Threats:
Sop dials bow thingy http://dek.im/d/z54vjz45rpz35v0z37hiz57t6z17t7z17tb7th8pt
Stall http://dek.im/d/z15liz55lmz45ukz15uoz35uszA606z57q97t8z27tbz17tc8pq
CC heavy http://dek.im/d/z24stz35ukz55usz15ul622z57t4z27tbz580a8pu


They ended up losing a mirror game vs lighting bow.

 :light

Looking at the decks they have left. Stall beats pretty much all of it. Only shot is a super fast deck ( which they probably don't have ) or fractal dragons. They probably saved fractals for rol hope.

I'd expect fractal dragons. They could also run a 60 card stall with sofo to try to counter our stall.

It's not even safe to say that fractal dragons beats the stall. Either way we can beat their decks using Pu dragons, bow, mono,

 :aether

So same old story. Our speed bow beats all decks except. Dims, rol hope, bonebolt and stall. Our stall beats their stall, rol hope and some fractal dim decks.

Bonebolt could be lost.

So the last two times we beaten aether in this scissor game between rush and stall. My guess is that they will try to beat both. May just as well play the same deck again. Dim+fractal. They thought it could beat the stall with 80% win rate, and it beats the bow. It's a perfect choice from their perspective.

So whatever beats that.

Expected deck:
http://dek.im/d/z361oz561tz3622z2625z363az1808z180gz180lz281q8pu

A smaller stall is one answer, rush double deflag LT might work,
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Re: Incognito deck posting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66663.msg1286809#msg1286809
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 09:23:48 pm »
Round 9

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Gen vs :darkness

We beat them last time. They apparently expected a stall and lost vs bow. What would they do if we pulled a speed bow on them?
That is what they will expect. So either speed bow or whatever we have that beats the speed bow counter.

 :aether
A bit unlucky last time. Time to roll the dice again.

:time Gen
I suggested a stall last time. If we had played we would have won. I'd vote for stall.

:earth Gen
Either speed bow or dim fractal.


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