Schrödinger's cat | Schrödinger's cat

[johannhowitzer]

Just recently finished a conversation on another forum in which we were debating whether a thing is true before it is observed/stated.

I am down the rabbit hole again...

[SniperElit]

First i thought its useless. Now its a main unit of strategy. Mutation cost 2    unit cost 1    as we know. So you can get a strong nice mutant for 3    and butterfly effect ofc.
I like when the enemy is foul enough to use a strong spell on him. A good bait.

[Jappert]

First i thought its useless. Now its a main unit of strategy. Mutation cost 2    unit cost 1    as we know. So you can get a strong nice mutant for 3    and butterfly effect ofc.
I like when the enemy is foul enough to use a strong spell on him. A good bait.

I'd advise using photons or RoL's for this. They cost nothing at all

[TheOnlyNewb]

So, the creature is still alive but it triggers things like boneyards and other things that needs deaths? ???

[Higurashi]

Yup. Vultures, Boneyards, Bone Walls.

[Noteca]

This is one of the most fun cards out there, and yet it suffers to some flawed logic..

Here's my point of view: If you truly know what "schrodinger's cat" is all about i.e the logical dilemma that is the fable of the cat( that it can wither be dead or alive at the same point in time) then a card with this foundation behind it would in fact not be able to kill off since in fact the cat is both dead and alive/not dead nor alive at the same point...

What I'm getting at here is that if the card is destroyed/killed or whatever it should in fact respawn once again since, as i stated before.. it's both alive and dead.

While this may seem like something that would be overpower, consider that the card is a +1/+1 and can be killed very easily so it's still a pretty weak card.

(And if respawning back on the board is to beneficial you could have it respawning back into either the deck or the hand of the player who used it)

I hope ppl see my reasoning behind this and don't flame to much but instead discuss this fact, and it would also be nice to hear the card creators thoughts on this subject. 

[Higurashi]

That'd be a nice buff. I've always found the ability cost to be too great to make this a viable card in PvP, but a cost of 1 might be overdoing it.

[Chemist]

[...] it would also be nice to hear the card creators thoughts on this subject.

Even if Schrödinger's cat can exist in a state of simultaneous life and death (and can bring it about, as is the case with the card), that doesn't necessarily make it immortal. Imagine a box with a Schrödinger's cat inside... and drop a house on it. I'm quite sure it'd be dead then.

So for thematic reasons I don't see this ability as being necessary, though it could fit in with the theme (it's all magic anyway).

As for mechanics and the card needing a buff, well there's already a thread dedicated to that (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21610.0.html). I don't think it's the card that needs a buff the most, but it could probably use one somewhere along the road.

[Noteca]

[...] it would also be nice to hear the card creators thoughts on this subject.

Even if Schrödinger's cat can exist in a state of simultaneous life and death (and can bring it about, as is the case with the card), that doesn't necessarily make it immortal. Imagine a box with a Schrödinger's cat inside... and drop a house on it. I'm quite sure it'd be dead then.

So for thematic reasons I don't see this ability as being necessary, though it could fit in with the theme (it's all magic anyway).

As for mechanics and the card needing a buff, well there's already a thread dedicated to that (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21610.0.html). I don't think it's the card that needs a buff the most, but it could probably use one somewhere along the road.

I never claimed it to be immortal... and I do think you misunderstand what I'm getting at here, Schrödinger's cat isn't about whether or not you can kill it... it's about it can be in a state of life/death at the any point in time.


And it's not "magic" it's a logical paradox

[Chemist]

Schrödinger's cat isn't about whether or not you can kill it... it's about it can be in a state of life/death at the any point in time.

If by "any point in time" you mean that it can be dead and alive after it has been confirmed to be dead, then no, not really. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat No mention of the cat respawning or anything of the sort.

I never claimed it to be immortal...

The way I see it your proposed ability would effectively make it that way.

And it's not "magic" it's a logical paradox

Actually it's quantum mechanics rather than logic. But what I meant is that if anyone asks how the cat from the card can do what it does... it's magic! (And in a high fantasy setting that makes all the sense in the world.)

[Noteca]

Schrödinger's cat isn't about whether or not you can kill it... it's about it can be in a state of life/death at the any point in time.

If by "any point in time" you mean that it can be dead and alive after it has been confirmed to be dead, then no, not really. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat No mention of the cat respawning or anything of the sort.

I never claimed it to be immortal...

The way I see it your proposed ability would effectively make that way.

And it's not "magic" it's a logical paradox

Actually it's quantum mechanics rather than logic. But what I meant is that if anyone asks how the cat from the card can do what it does... it's magic! (And in a high fantasy setting that makes all the sense in the world.)

*sigh* once again you misunderstand my.. my english isn't that bad is it? >_< by "any point in time" I'm talking about the actual schrödingers cat, that once inside the box there's no way of knowing if it's alive or dead ( thereby my choice of worlds by saying "any point in time) at this point you're only correcting my way of typing sentences and since english isn't my main language there's bound to be a mistake or two...

and there's no need to quote wikipedia sides in a disrespectful way... I do know what schrödingers cat is about and yes it's quantum mechanics I'm well aware of that but it's still a sort of logic so you'd be wrong in saying that it's not.

So instead of pointing out faults in my sentences how about you focus on what I originally was talking about as far as the card in question being based upon a wrongly understanding of it's concept, and that you cannot deny.

[Chemist]

*sigh* once again you misunderstand my.. my english isn't that bad is it? >_< by "any point in time" I'm talking about the actual schrödingers cat, that once inside the box there's no way of knowing if it's alive or dead ( thereby my choice of worlds by saying "any point in time) at this point you're only correcting my way of typing sentences and since english isn't my main language there's bound to be a mistake or two...

and there's no need to quote wikipedia sides in a disrespectful way... I do know what schrödingers cat is about and yes it's quantum mechanics I'm well aware of that but it's still a sort of logic so you'd be wrong in saying that it's not.

So instead of pointing out faults in my sentences how about you focus on what I originally was talking about as far as the card in question being based upon a wrongly understanding of it's concept, and that you cannot deny.

I'm sorry if I came across as disrespectful, as that was never my intention. As neither of us is a native English speaker some misunderstandings may be expected. Still, I am as of yet not in agreement with what I (think) I understand from your posts.

In your first post, you state:

If you truly know what "schrodinger's cat" is all about i.e the logical dilemma that is the fable of the cat( that it can wither be dead or alive at the same point in time) then a card with this foundation behind it would in fact not be able to kill off since in fact the cat is both dead and alive/not dead nor alive at the same point...

-which I have already addressed with:

Imagine a box with a Schrödinger's cat inside... and drop a house on it. I'm quite sure it'd be dead then.

Now I believe you're disagreeing with the above, but I haven't heard (or at least understood) your reasoning behind it. If a real world Schrödinger's cat would be dead and alive, but could be killed for sure regardless, then why should the case be any different for the card?