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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40930#msg40930
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2010, 11:42:13 am »
I know the meaning of the Butterfly Effect and I know that it has to do with chaos theory and weather prediction.
Weather prediction is difficult due to the Butterfly Effect.

Germans could also know it from the "We are Germany" campagn in TV, where they say something like "The wing beat of a butterfly can cause a tornado".

So the name fits perfectly to the card.
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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40932#msg40932
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2010, 11:46:02 am »
I've been playing around with the card a little, trying to crack it.

The problem is that you're probably better off just making a flying Pulverizer deck.  Both combos require two cards and the flying weapon deck costs a little less to start and a lot less to activate.

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40939#msg40939
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2010, 12:05:58 pm »
Touche. 3 mana to use a skill is really too much. And we dont really see entropy mono decks at all. I think it could be 6 to use, and 2 to use the skill.

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40959#msg40959
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2010, 01:08:19 pm »
This card seems broken in the hands of a False God, but needs to be toned down for player decks. Seeing how pulverizer needs 2 Gravity Quanta and 4 Earth Quanta to play + destroy something now, this card should probably require around the same amount or just a little bit more. a 4-3 cost or 5-2 cost for the unupgraded seems about right. It puts it on par with Pulveriser.

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40980#msg40980
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2010, 02:13:05 pm »
As a card, I like it.  The idea, the art, the theme's compatibility with Entropy...  I also like the idea of high-cost spells that change the game more for non-rainbow decks.  But I agree, this is not quite good enough.

I'd hate to spoil the spirit of the card by suggesting that the attack power limit be removed, but modifying it so that it can be applied to more creatures would make it interesting.  Or cost reduction...

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg40984#msg40984
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2010, 02:24:45 pm »
I think it's expensive, but great idea.

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41015#msg41015
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 03:25:56 pm »
Only talking about upped versions of any card mentioned

Pulverizer (upped)
Card Cost: 4 :earth
Skill Cost: 2 :gravity
Damage: 5

Pros:
 As long as it is a weapon, only permanent control can get to it (which is only deflag, steal, another pulvy, or a butterfly effect creature)
Cant be stopped by sundials
Only Card Necessary to play
Still useful in mono earth decks due to its 5 damage
1 card combination
Protect artifact will make it invulnerable for just 1  :earth

Cons
Can only have 1 out at a time unless used with animate
When animated is possible to be targeted with a larger variety of cards
Cant use any other weapons with it
Cant use ability in mono earth deck
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Butterfly Effect (upped)
Card Cost: 7 :entropy
Skill Cost: 3 :entropy

Pros
Gives mono entropy permanent control
Gives Permanent control to decks that use  :entropy
(cant really think of anything else)

Cons
Creature can be loboed, devoured, RoF, Lightning, congealed (list goes on and on)
Removes pre-existing ability
Can only be used on a creature with less than 3 Atk (in mono entropy that is only micro abomination)
Needs 2 cards (this and a monster) to be used
To make invincible, You need quintessence 3  :aether (a 3 card combo)
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Definitly needs to be buffed a little... too high cost.
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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41057#msg41057
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2010, 04:28:39 pm »
All of you are forgetting a little card called Antimatter. If you antimatter an Amethyst Dragon, you have a -12/6 creature, which can be Butterflied, then antimattered again to have a very big destroyer. Of course, this costs a grand total of 26 quanta for the creature and the effects (22 if you use a Purple Nymph to antimatter the creature twice), so it's not cost-effective at all, which leads me to my main point...

Pretty much everything in the Entropy set costs a whole lot more than everything else in other sets. The only thing that is a pretty decent deal is the dragon, but all the dragons cost between 10-12 quanta when upgraded. Entropy's quantum cost scale is off the mark and needs some tweaking. The creatures all cost five quanta, the shield is just terrible because everything else is expensive, the spells are either very expensive because the ability is so massive, or cheap because the effect is negligible (supernova doesn't count in mono). I can make a very good mono Entropy deck no problem, it's just weird to me that when I build a deck, the fastest thing I can make unupped is a mid-range creature deck with a lot of pillars and few spells, which is the bread and butter of Entropy's arsenal.

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41062#msg41062
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2010, 04:48:48 pm »
In my seventeen years of life I have never heard of the movie called the Butterfly Effect. Maybe it was because I spend my childhood in China?
You honestly didn't miss anything worth seeing.  You and your damn lucky China-based childrearing!
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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41107#msg41107
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2010, 06:49:10 pm »
I love given my new guardian angel more wings !!!!

(for those of you who are gundam lovers, Seed destiny's Freedom has 8 wings...)

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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41111#msg41111
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2010, 06:53:47 pm »
All of you are forgetting a little card called Antimatter. If you antimatter an Amethyst Dragon, you have a -12/6 creature, which can be Butterflied, then antimattered again to have a very big destroyer. Of course, this costs a grand total of 26 quanta for the creature and the effects (22 if you use a Purple Nymph to antimatter the creature twice), so it's not cost-effective at all, which leads me to my main point...

Pretty much everything in the Entropy set costs a whole lot more than everything else in other sets. The only thing that is a pretty decent deal is the dragon, but all the dragons cost between 10-12 quanta when upgraded. Entropy's quantum cost scale is off the mark and needs some tweaking. The creatures all cost five quanta, the shield is just terrible because everything else is expensive, the spells are either very expensive because the ability is so massive, or cheap because the effect is negligible (supernova doesn't count in mono). I can make a very good mono Entropy deck no problem, it's just weird to me that when I build a deck, the fastest thing I can make unupped is a mid-range creature deck with a lot of pillars and few spells, which is the bread and butter of Entropy's arsenal.
I agree is totally expensive, but then entrophy can control paradox, antimatter and butterfly, which makes it fun !!!! Which I like!!!!! Oh, and discord can control other mono / duo decks fairly well

But i am thinking this card compensates FG deck for having higher cost everything (FFQ, hourglass) for example, which no one seemed to yet notice

I am currently testing it in a FG deck, take out the druid, use this and quint it, so i can have more "sure-ed" control for an FG deck, with quint oty + quint butterfly (which i am using on an guardian angel (purely because of the build i have))

Will post some additional results later!


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Re: Butterfly Effect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4130.msg41156#msg41156
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2010, 08:37:32 pm »
Butterfly effect is now 5 :entropy....

 

anything
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