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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg292428#msg292428
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2011, 01:45:35 pm »
I was just on the Elements Wiki page for the new False God, Serket.  The correct deck is displayed, however under the section where the CC/PC is listed the entry is not for that deck.  Currently is lists 2x Maxwell's Demon 6x Mutation 8x Fallen Druid 2x Congeal as the CC.  I believe this entry should be blank as Serket has no CC whatsoever that I can determine.
Thanks for the note, fixed.

I've added something on the front page to help redirect users to the more current one.
So you are the unregistered "Wikia contributor [IP address redacted] -Daxx" who modified the main page  ;)
What a coincidence that I bumped into this post.

...that said, at this point, I think someone needs to get a hold of Tafferboy (the guy who's still tied to the old site) to explain to him our situation. I know that he's free to 'edit' the old wikia, but that site is so horrible, his time would be better spent improving the new one (unless he decides to sabotage it for some reason) rather than working with that crappy junk.

Just food for thought.
Thank you for your kindness. I don't know why you think I was a saboteur, I never did anything against the new wiki and I never hurt anyone. Talking of sabotage, Bloodshadow was the one who always deleted the main page from time to time but since then he agreed to stop vandalism.

I told him my reasons of keeping the wiki up-to-date and I gladly tell them you, too.
1. I simply like that cool deck builder (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Deck) of the old wiki  :D
2. I like that searching works well - in the new wiki search is just a google redirection where I just get a hit list even if I type the exact name of an article.

As for cooperation, I offered the migration of the deck builder but SG said that it would be nearly impossible ("insane amount of programming", she said) because the new "wiki" is actually NOT a real wiki, so standard wiki templates cannot be used there.

Btw, cards reference is more up-to-date in that "crappy junk" than in the new wiki (e.g. prices, exact active/passive skills), deck builder supports the newest 1.271 import code format (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Deck_Import_Code), which is still not fixed even in this forum, etc. On the other hand, there are a lot of old information, obsolete decks, which aren't working well anymore, etc. But this doesn't make something crappy.


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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg292544#msg292544
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2011, 06:46:21 pm »
By keeping updating the old wiki, you're prohibiting the new wiki from being facilitated. You call that not going against new wiki? I don't understand the reasoning.

I cannot dare to take any article changes (mainly editing the links so that they ALL redirect to the new wiki) because there are people like you who would revert the entire process. I sincerely ask you to please stop updating, so that the new wiki receives the attention it deserves.
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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg292962#msg292962
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 01:24:23 am »
stop updating, so that the new wiki receives the attention it deserves.
The new wiki is referenced from the forum, from the Elements site itself and now from the main page of the of the original wiki. Everyone can find it, even those players who find the old wiki first for some strange reason. Calling it being against the new wiki is a rude distortion of the facts.

And yes, there are a lot of posts (especially in newly posted decks) where there are links to the new wiki. So your redirect-everything-guerilla-plans are needless: cards and fake god decks are up-to-date, and pages may freely refer the forum or the other wiki, too.

So calm down and don't treat me as an enemy.

Oh, just taking advantage of the opportunity that a new wiki admin spoke to me, is it possible to make the new wiki international? I would willingly help to make a translation. Enabling interwiki is easy in the original wiki but I learned that fans of the new wiki wouldn't appreciate that idea so I never dared to start a thread about this topic.

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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg293093#msg293093
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 05:17:23 am »

I must admit that I, in parts, totally understand your reasoning Taffer.

But when you asked whether the new wiki could be made international
I couldn't help but thinking "WTH? WHY? ..."
Meaning why would you want to invest so much time in two projects that deal
with exactly the same thing? I mean, it's just a game-wiki ... it's not like there
are going to be major benefits from having two models, quite the opposite actually.





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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg293102#msg293102
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 05:50:57 am »
I must admit that I, in parts, totally understand your reasoning Taffer.

But when you asked whether the new wiki could be made international
I couldn't help but thinking "WTH? WHY? ..."
Because interwiki is not enabled at the moment in the old wiki. And to start such a project from scratch would be reasonable at the more popular site. That's why I'm asking if it's possible in the new wiki. Of course, if it is, I wouldn't enable interwiki also at the old site because probably there wouldn't be anyone who maintained the localized articles.

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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg293136#msg293136
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 07:23:18 am »
The new wiki is referenced from the forum, from the Elements site itself and now from the main page of the of the original wiki. Everyone can find it, even those players who find the old wiki first for some strange reason. Calling it being against the new wiki is a rude distortion of the facts.

And yes, there are a lot of posts (especially in newly posted decks) where there are links to the new wiki. So your redirect-everything-guerilla-plans are needless: cards and fake god decks are up-to-date, and pages may freely refer the forum or the other wiki, too.

So calm down and don't treat me as an enemy.
You are not getting it.

I wouldn't call you an enemy, but you are basically giving the finger to girlsgeneration and our other Wiki Editors who are working hard on the project, by not listening to their requests.

Having all the information in one place is a good thing. This way everyone can participate in building that one wiki, and we get more things done. Having different sites do the same exact thing is a waste of time and confusing to users.

Lets say we had 6 different types of Elements wiki, each using their own software, each with their own set of fans. Do you think it would be smart use of resources, updating everything 6 times? Sure we only have two wikis, but the principle is the same: we do not need two wikis, so having two wikis makes absolutely no sense.

We had the old wiki front page say that there is a new wiki available and users are requested to move over there. Now some idiot has changed the wording to "alternative wiki". It's like every two months or so we have some random guy resurrecting the old wiki in order to feel important on the internet. It's really frustrating to people like me who have to deal with newbies who don't know which wiki we are talking about.

Instead of some childish "whose wiki is better" game that is totally pointless, we should just concentrate on making one wiki as useful as possible. Work as a community, not as teams of people with different goals. And that wiki should be the one that Elements game page has a link to.

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Re: Serket https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22440.msg293245#msg293245
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 02:25:33 pm »
Instead of some childish "whose wiki is better" game that is totally pointless, we should just concentrate on making one wiki as useful as possible. Work as a community, not as teams of people with different goals. And that wiki should be the one that Elements game page has a link to.
I hope you don't think seriously that I consider it as such a game. That thought would be rather childish. ;)

It's quite obvious - even to me - that the new wiki is better in many aspects. I stated why I still like the old wiki.

And at the same time I offered my help in case if new wiki turned international.

 

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