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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg507732#msg507732
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2012, 10:44:43 pm »
Some suggestions because I don't feel I know enough about the game/wiki stuff to actually make these pages myself--at least not in any kind of efficient manner.

Links to elements on the card page seems redundant and not especially useful when you end up on the next page expecting something more like the elements pages and getting basically the same thing as the (uncategorized) omnilist at the bottom of the card page. If possible, make another section for cards listed by element (instead of alphabetically) with proper headers (instead of letters, obviously).

Overview pages instead of a list of links for creature, spell and permanent cards: like element pages. Leave the creature, spell and permanent links on the card page. --or the below ideas, which are a bigger undertaking (but more awesome).

Additional info tags to cards (hidden or perhaps replacing/adding onto "quick facts" on card page) that allow for a nice, sortable table to be made on the creatures/spells/permanents pages.  Because of all the different tags that can be added to various types of cards, the tables would probably need to be broken down into multiple tables in some way.
Rough idea example: Permanents' sub pages Pendulums, Pillars, Shields, and Weapons each lead to a page with a sortable table. For example, the shields page would be able to sort things like element, name, damage reduction #, reflective yes/no, miss chance, stealable yes/no, destroyable yes/no, special yes/no.
Not sure how to handle upgraded cards--maybe different pages for upgraded creatures/spells/perms, linked on card page. Might not be too bad combined though.

Perhaps additional, specialized sortable table pages for cards that produce quanta (element, name, element of quanta produced, how many quanta, cost), poison, heal or whatever else might be useful. This might be too redundant if multiple tables are on the creature page for these things, but it would be nice to have all cards that do similar things in one place.

I think the sortable tables would be especially awesome to see an overview of everything you care about quickly. As a beginner, I know I would find it helpful for "finding that one card that does that thing that I need" and building decks. I'm not sure how much it would be useful to other players, but it seems like it'd be useful at least until they're able to remember all the cards and all their abilities.

Sorry about the long read, but I wanted to be descriptive.


Oh yeah: About the interactive deck incorporated with the deck image maker... what about bypassing the image maker and making it so the deck code produces a special thingie for the wiki? The (wiki-formatted?) codes would change into corresponding, linked cards--perhaps with a table for card count/cost/etc and with the un-changed code for copying. Might want a little tool to add a colon before each 3 character code or something for ease but I dunno if that's necessary with some kind of template. Seems easier than the fancy sliding, but I don't really know. D:
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg508000#msg508000
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2012, 04:54:40 pm »
Then I think I start with doing Others and maybe one more element just to see if it will be okay.

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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg508236#msg508236
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2012, 06:56:53 am »
Hang on there. I thought we agreed to use my template, so why are you using yours?
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg508241#msg508241
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2012, 07:17:01 am »
Hang on there. I thought we agreed to use my template, so why are you using yours?

Oh sorry, your last answer was this:

Well, you mentioned extra difficulty in creating the pages as a reason against extra parameters, but I think creating twice the amount of pages is more work than one extra parameter that is part of a copy/pasted template anyway. So, I'd say we keep them and go with the single card option.

I took it as a decision about using combined Data pages instead of separated ones, and I did so.

Sorry-sorry a thousand times if I did something wrong.  :'( As I said I made only Others just to see whether it will be okay. So this is still not a final state and feel free to change the format or anything. Rest of the elements pages will be done as you decide.

As I see the main difference between our Data content is mainly just the parameter names (eg Life vs HP). And that I have split skills into more parameters (so Skill Name or Skill Element can work as a link). But this is still not a final state! Final word is yours about that.  :-X

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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg508245#msg508245
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2012, 07:33:30 am »
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant we keep the extra parameters and go with the single card option - i.e., my template. Sorry for the confusion.

So unless you have more suggestions for my template, I guess we can start using that. Regarding yours, I'm not a fan of splitting the description into active skill, passive skill and effect due to inconsistency, difficulty in determining which part goes where, and most of those that were chosen on the old Wiki are technically inaccurate from a coding point of view.
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg508273#msg508273
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2012, 11:49:22 am »
Since you moved Card template now Others has a lot of red links. I tried to insert a temporary redirection to the moved template until you finish your version but it didn't work (redirection disabled?).

Last version used a common Data page as you requested. Maybe you could have just modify the template until it meets your taste.

Edit: Sorry but until you finish I restored Card template because Others page and cards of Others were broken for a day or so. Feel free to modify it or I don't even mind if you delete it again but before that prepare Others to work with the new version.
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg517553#msg517553
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2012, 04:36:31 am »
Featured Card articles have now been updated - as in, all the previously featured cards should have fixed links and formats. The Featured card project has also been restarted. :D

Also, loving the new 'Other' section; the format there where you can click on the card image to link to the page directly should totally be used on the other Elements. :)

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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg517555#msg517555
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2012, 04:50:17 am »
Awesome work, Kuro, and +rep.

Yep, that's one of the things we have to work on next - updating all the other element pages and card articles to use the new template.
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg519654#msg519654
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2012, 06:07:25 pm »
Do you think the new templates are ready to use? I saw that you also modified Others only.

If testing phase still lasts I have some "review comments":
  • If upped card has different name, it refers to a page with the upped name so there must be a redirection page to the basic card.
  • If a card exists only in-game (eg. Malignant Cell, Ash) there should not be a sell price.
  • I think if upgraded version of a card is not available (Malignant Cell, Shard Golem, Holy Cow) only the basic card should be displayed on card list pages and in the card article header. As an interesting fact, the card article may remark that an upgraded version technically exists and an image can be placed somewhere inside the article.
First two points were implemented in my original templates. I would just fix them if you allowed me, or do it yourself if you wish.  :)
Third point is just a suggestion - I think that makes sense.

Btw sorry for my long silence, I was on holiday, etc. I thought I wait until you finish but meantime I noticed your post on my talk page. Actually there was a link on the main page but has been commented out recently due to the uncertain status of the new wiki. If you say it would help to the new wiki to place a link I can re-enable it.

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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg519656#msg519656
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2012, 06:11:56 pm »
Can we has false god articles?

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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg519667#msg519667
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Re: Building the new Wiki https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40797.msg519910#msg519910
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2012, 03:36:41 am »
Do you think the new templates are ready to use? I saw that you also modified Others only.

If testing phase still lasts I have some "review comments":
  • If upped card has different name, it refers to a page with the upped name so there must be a redirection page to the basic card.
  • If a card exists only in-game (eg. Malignant Cell, Ash) there should not be a sell price.
  • I think if upgraded version of a card is not available (Malignant Cell, Shard Golem, Holy Cow) only the basic card should be displayed on card list pages and in the card article header. As an interesting fact, the card article may remark that an upgraded version technically exists and an image can be placed somewhere inside the article.
First two points were implemented in my original templates. I would just fix them if you allowed me, or do it yourself if you wish.  :)
Third point is just a suggestion - I think that makes sense.

Btw sorry for my long silence, I was on holiday, etc. I thought I wait until you finish but meantime I noticed your post on my talk page. Actually there was a link on the main page but has been commented out recently due to the uncertain status of the new wiki. If you say it would help to the new wiki to place a link I can re-enable it.
To address your points:
  • I already set up those redirections a while ago.
  • Agreed.
  • For consistency, completeness and so that the cards don't stand out awkwardly, I prefer having the upgraded version there. The Wiki page itself would naturally mention that the upgraded version cannot be obtained.
The new Wiki is definitely going ahead, so the link would be great.

For everyone, here's our current to-do list off the top of my head:
  • Update element pages and card articles to use the new template.
  • Add all False God articles.*
  • Add some significant, well-known decks or deck archetypes (I've added Instosis so far). Note that this Wiki will not be a place for people to share decks at whim; that's what the forum is for.
*With the False God articles, you'll be getting information from the old Wiki, so when you're done edit the False God page on the old Wiki and add this line at the top:
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<strong><a href="http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/{{False God name}}"><span style="color:red; font-size: 14pt;">>> Updated content available on the new Wiki <<</span></a></strong><div style="display: none;">Replace {{False God name}} with the False God name, obviously. This will hide the page's content and redirect users to the new Wiki page.

Let's get to it!
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