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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138023#msg1138023
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138025#msg1138025
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2014, 04:19:45 pm »
Needs Vampires and Lightnings. Also Mummies and Bone Dragons in BoneBolt. Also Golden Dragons in Sancstall. The rest (excluding dragons) are kind of suboptimal.
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138038#msg1138038
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 05:20:56 pm »
Needs Vampires and Lightnings. Also Mummies and Bone Dragons in BoneBolt. Also Golden Dragons in Sancstall. The rest (excluding dragons) are kind of suboptimal.
What do you mean with 'the rest'?
The idea of this thread was to explan about fractal based decks, starting with the fractalable creatures of those. The Vampires are explained in the Pestal (I have actually never seen a pure vamptal) and the other ones you mentioned are additions to make some damage instead of a deck base. Note that I didn't add golden dragon for RoL Hope. However I can add other creatures fractalled like that ones.
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138041#msg1138041
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2014, 05:27:52 pm »
Fractal and SoB can make 30 card deck out decks viable too. (Im surprised Higs didnt write this guide before)
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138046#msg1138046
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2014, 05:59:02 pm »
Needs Vampires and Lightnings. Also Mummies and Bone Dragons in BoneBolt. Also Golden Dragons in Sancstall. The rest (excluding dragons) are kind of suboptimal.
What do you mean with 'the rest'?
The idea of this thread was to explan about fractal based decks, starting with the fractalable creatures of those. The Vampires are explained in the Pestal (I have actually never seen a pure vamptal) and the other ones you mentioned are additions to make some damage instead of a deck base. Note that I didn't add golden dragon for RoL Hope. However I can add other creatures fractalled like that ones.
The rest are all other unupped cards except Dragons, as Dragontal is viable in any duo thanks to Dims or Lightnings. You'll find things like Cockas being just an alternative to Frogs if you're really scared of RoF, or Hematite Golems being an alternative to Stone Dragons if you're less worried about a stall, but they're situational alternatives that do not significantly change how you play the deck, what the decks can do (in fact, they're usually less efficient due to compensating for the situational need), nor what they can beat.

You'll find Vamptal with Lightnings being a strong rush-counter in both War and TPvP.

The others aren't just damage additions. They enable domination-type decks to overpower stall decks, something that can't be done without Fractal or Bolts (the latter having more effective counters). In BoneBolt you get OTK ability with Arsenics and Bone Dragon-tal. In Sancstall you can achieve the same by having a few dragons in play before ramping up to OTK. The combo changes the way you play the decks, what the decks can do, and what the decks can beat.

As an aside, Light Nymph probably deserves an honorable mention since that particular Nymphtal achieves more unconditional healing than any other deck type realistically can, thus transforming the deck into something completely different.

Fractal and SoB can make 30 card deck out decks viable too. (Im surprised Higs didnt write this guide before)
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1138049#msg1138049
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2014, 06:19:12 pm »
Huh, I didn't know you don't write a guide. I dont see you in tournaments much and you dont create a lot of card ideas, so presumably I thought thats exactly what you do. Your mostly a person with vast knowledge who gives others help and advice then? You dont create new threads much but often comment on other's threads?
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1139963#msg1139963
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1210673#msg1210673
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2015, 03:47:07 pm »
How do you combine fractal with shrodinger's cat while having a 30-card deck?
Fractal is 10 quantum. With vultures, soul catchers and bonewalls, the deck probably has at least 40 cards.

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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1210706#msg1210706
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2015, 08:26:07 pm »
How do you combine fractal with shrodinger's cat while having a 30-card deck?
Fractal is 10 quantum. With vultures, soul catchers and bonewalls, the deck probably has at least 40 cards.
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1210716#msg1210716
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2015, 09:41:36 pm »
Thank you Rutarette,

but if your vultures get killed you have as good as no damage output because there are no boneyards.
If the opponent has more cards, you deck out. So in that case a 40-card deck would be better.
Otherwise I don't see the advantage of mixing fractals.
Then I would think the original schrödinger's cat deck is better.
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Re: [guide] The Way of Fractal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46202.msg1210733#msg1210733
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Well I mean the same can be said of your boneyards if they get destroyed :P

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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2015, 04:50:33 am »
Thank you Rutarette,

but if your vultures get killed you have as good as no damage output because there are no boneyards.
If the opponent has more cards, you deck out. So in that case a 40-card deck would be better.
Otherwise I don't see the advantage of mixing fractals.
Then I would think the original schrödinger's cat deck is better.
Hmm, did I forgot something?
You didn't forget anything. Really, using Fractal with Schrodinger's Cat is simply not a good strategy. It requires far too many cards to work well - not just the Fractal, Bone Wall, Schrodinger's Cat, and Vulture, but also the quanta to provide for them. With such an excessive, quanta-heavy combo, the deck will fail against anything with a minimal amount of offense. And when it comes to stallbreaking decks, there are much better options.

The only worse Fractal target I can imagine would be Fate Egg, and fortunately at the very least this guide abstains from recommending...ah, nevermind.
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