What are your preferred decks?

[Skydaemon]

It's also the only good counter I can think of to stop that ridiculous Fractal-Phoenix deck, which kevkev will surely use.

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[TimerClock14]

if it's the fractal-phoenix deck, then this might be a good solution:

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The idea here is to stop thinking shields and start thinking damage. The best defense is the best offense. Using high-stats cards like armagios and shriekers, and combining them into a chimera with gravity pull and momentum, provides an incredible defense while, at the same time, has a high offense. This is kind of a rush deck i guess.

(http://imageplay.net/)

[Skydaemon]

Interesting idea, but the plate armors aren't needed.  The fire lances don't have enough fire pillars to kill off armagios and dragons.  They have plenty of hp on their own so the armor just slows your deck down.

The basilisk blood is interesting, I think you can get rid of half those armagio's and use the blood instead.  Chimera will get rid of the blood freeze effect, so you just use your bloods right before chimera.

If you're on now I could set up the fire deck for you to test your armagio's on.  I'll try to find you for a pvp.

[TimerClock14]

ah but the armagio's are there not for their HP alone, but to act as a sub in case it takes too long for 1 of the 3 chimera to surface. I had the same thoughts about the plate armors too. And yes, I chose basilisk bloods because Chimera removes the affect and because it gives such a large amount of HP.

EDIT: actually $$$man is helping me and told me not to get onto my account until he PM's me...He hasn't PMed me yet. If i got on it'd screw up his grinding.

[Skydaemon]

EDIT: actually $$$man is helping me and told me not to get onto my account until he PM's me...He hasn't PMed me yet. If i got on it'd screw up his grinding.

Ah ok.  I'm going to start using the chat that is posted when I'm on.  When you get your acct back just look for me there if you want to tweak it.

I had another thought that maybe a hope shield could win it.  There's at least 2 versions of the deck, getting rid of fire bolts speeds up the phoenix dump (if you swap in more fire pillars).

Here's the other fire deck version(which has no creature control):

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They could possibly bring fire storms instead of bolts, but I doubt that because it's expensive, unless they had a reason to bring it.

My idea at a counter is maybe a hope shield.  If you get 7 light producing creatures up, you're effectively immune to phoenix rushes.  Two ways of doing that, luciferin, or firefly/firefly queens. 

Here's the hippy deck (earth-hope deck =  hippy deck, lol):

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* I modified the hope deck slightly.  It works half-decently vs random decks in ai3 as well, but it's supposed to be a fractal phoenix killer (haven't tested that yet).  I bumped it to 31 cards to give it a slight deck out advantage too.  It looks like a lot of light cards, but it doesn't take much to fuel them.   Of the 3 hope cards, you'll only use one for 7 quanta since it's indestructable, you just need it early.   The luciferin only cost 1 each, and you'll want to use those several times, the morningstar is not needed really, it's just a guarantee you can still deal dmg if they somehow sacrifice everything to kill your creatures late game or pull a grav shield.  There's a version of this with a miracle too, but it seems unneeded so I took it out.

The nice thing about the deck is that hematites and dragons have too much hp to kill that many of them.  If they use dim shields, they won't be able to kill these with a couple fire lances.  If they use a fire shield, the creatures should be able to pound enough dmg in before they die to win.  If later on they get desperate and swap to lots of fire storms, then you swap a few hematites for stone dragons and rock on - takes 4 fire storms to kill 1 dragon, good luck with that.  And finally, if they go full stall/dim shield and somehow prevent you from killing them off, you still win, since the 2 extra cards let you deck them out.

Needs testing vs players though.

[TimerClock14]

sure, lets hope $$$man gets me some extra $$$ too. *snicker*

[$$$man]

Sorry to prevent yall's testing. Acc. ready.

sure, lets hope $$$man gets me some extra $$$ too. *snicker*

Done

[Skydaemon]

The fire deck with no bolts is more powerful.  The creature control is a waste of time, and the lances never have the quanta to hurt the main opponent enough.  Better to just bring more fire pillars and speed up the phoenix's.  The fire pillars are also a big weakness in the fire deck, unupped phoenix's take a lot of quanta to play.

Timerclock's deck is interesting, we were testing and tweaking it vs these fire decks.  It occassionally won a hand, but would need tweaks before it could win a best of 3.  Tomorrow we'll try the hope deck too.

[Skydaemon]

Thought of a new trick and I think I improved the turns to win a touch.

The trick is that luciferin takes "any" quanta, so you can just wait for 2-3 creatures, then luciferin, then let those creatures produce the quanta for the hope shield.  By doing that, you can ditch the light mark for an earth mark, which speeds up your creature output.  If you have 2 hematites out on turn 3 (not uncommon), then producing 2 light a round, you'll have an operational hope shield with at least 2 light creatures by round 7.  In other words, the shield is the same speed as with the light mark, plus your creatures are getting out faster.

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[TimerClock14]

Here's a better solution (still in development though) to the fractal-phoenix problem

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[Demagog]

Here's what I think would be the best way to go with a hope deck:

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You really don't need to keep making decks to counter a fractal phoenix deck, by the way. fireshield/SS or a nightmare deck are probably going to beat it.

[Demagog]

What would be better?

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