What are your preferred decks?

[Demagog]

Guys, I'd like us to have about 11 predetermined decks. Some decks will be over 30 cards, so we should have about 100 extra cards that we can sideboard. I'd make a list of the decks we have right now, but I'm about to leave. I'll do it later today if no one else has.

[Korugar]

11 decks. Is there any chance those eleven should be the most likely ones we would use against each of the other elements?

[Demagog]

No, they have too many options. We should just come up with some decks that work well. Right now, I'd like to see two of the scrambled shrieker deck, and one of whatever else we can come up with. Like I said, I'll make a list later.

[Skydaemon]

As far as adding up decks.  I sort of crawled through them while filling out the tab in your googledoc vault thing.  I didn't record them separately, but that vault tab should support every deck listed here excluding the nymphs and the miracles with buffers to keep them viable if a few cards get stolen.

I tried a forty card version once and it didn't seem to do so well. 36 would be the maximum, in my opinion.

Just to put an idea on the table.

Using upped decks (with shards) I use a 48 card deck out strat for farming a fair bit.   I don't really have a fully unupgraded one, as the sod were kind of key for early healing.  When I started using it, most of it was unupgraded except for hourglasses, miracles, and shards.  You just need a big component to make large deck outs work.  You only pull forward for small opponent decks or if you're otherwise in trouble.

In general, I would put 2 deflags + 1 burning tower in any deck out shot, it's the unguarded eternity killer.

This is what I farm t50 with, it's a max hp, EM, deck out strat for the 220 electrum a round.  It would need to be altered for combat / remove the shards, but it isn't too bad.

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[Skydaemon]

$$$man's first 3 decks total(92):
-6 nova
-4 discord
-6 graboid
-6 shrieker
-4 earthquake
-6 devourer
-2 dusk mantle
-6 poison
-2 arsenic
-2 titanium shield
-3 enchant artifact
-4 stone skin
-27 stone pillar
-11 basilisk blood
-3 flying weapon
sky's deck(30)
-2 lycanthrope
-5 nova
-10 stone pillar
-3 stone dragon
-2 graboid
-1 hematite golem
-2 rage potion
-2 immolation
-2 fire shield
-1 druidic staff
7 of demagog decks (214), using the last posted deck 3 (sky version).
If you want to swap to demagog's last version of it, then alter this by (+2 stone pillar,+9 light pillar,+3 miracle,-4 earth pendulum, -2 morningstar, -2 flying weapon,-4 air pendulum).
-51 stone pillar
-10 earth pendulum
-8 gravity pillar
-7 aether pillar
-6 emerald pillar
-6 time factory
-4 air pendulum
-4 flying weapon
-4 adrenaline
-5 morningstar
-5 stone skin
-6 gnome rider
-9 stone dragon
-8 basilisk blood
-2 deflagration
-6 immolation
-4 lava golem
-3 rage potion
-6 freeze
-1 ice shield
-2 trident
-6 shrieker
-6 dimensional shield
-2 fractal
-2 momentum
-4 otyugh
-4 hematite golem
-2 gravity shield
-10 plate armor
-7 graboid
-6 scarab
-2 pulverizer
-6 enchant artifact
Total of the 11 decks above(336):
-88 stone pillar
-10 earth pendulum
-8 gravity pillar
-7 aether pillar
-6 emerald pillar
-6 time factory
-4 air pendulum
-7 flying weapon
-4 adrenaline
-5 morningstar
-9 stone skin
-6 gnome rider
-12 stone dragon
-19 basilisk blood
-2 deflagration
-8 immolation
-4 lava golem
-5 rage potion
-6 freeze
-1 ice shield
-2 trident
-12 shrieker
-6 dimensional shield
-2 fractal
-2 momentum
-4 otyugh
-5 hematite golem
-2 gravity shield
-10 plate armor
-15 graboid
-6 scarab
-2 pulverizer
-9 enchant artifact
-1 druidic staff
-2 lycanthrope
-2 titanium shield
-2 fire shield
-11 nova
-4 earthquake
-4 discord
-6 devourer
-2 dusk mantle
-6 poison
-2 arsenic

Adding another discord graboid deck would add(30), the issue with doing that is we can't legally have more than 12 novas, and another one of these would bring us to 17, it would also bring us to the cap of basilisk blood, we seem a bit overreliant on the blood.
-6 nova
-4 discord
-6 graboid
-6 stone pillar
-5 basilisk blood
-3 flying weapon

[Demagog]

From what I learned last war, BB's, skins, graboids, and EQ's are all very important earth cards. So taking lots of those is a good thing.

Here is a list of all decks so far that will definitely be added:

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If we double up on the scrambled shrieker deck, that's 312. 134 cards left. I'm not sure if we should take the BB/freeze stall.

We have 70 earth pillars in there and 12 earth pendulums. With the extra discord deck that's an even 88 earth pillars+pendulums. I don't think we need to use the "exploit." If we are looking at our vault right before it's finished and decide we want to take a few other cards, we'll take out a few pillars (not many).

So, let's look at how many of the earth cards we have:

pillars 76
pendulums 12
gnome riders 6
graboids 19 (we'll definitely add 5 more)
shriekers 8 (we'll probably add 6-8 more... or more)
BB's 18 (we might add more)
Skins 9 (we'll definitely add at least 6 more... probably 10)
EQ's 4 (we'll definitely want more)
Dragons 0 (we'll take some for sure)
Ant lions 0 (doubt we'll take any)
titanium shields 2 (probably take a few more)
enchant artifacts 9
That's basically it... 161 - 220ish. We'll add enough to meet the 1/2 requirement and probably a little more than that.


Here is a deck I'd like us to have, we can just sideboard the needed cards:

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55t 55t 55t 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 595 595 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0I'd like us to now tweak the above decks and come up with completely new decks. I haven't tested that rage potion one sky posted... hopefully get around to that eventually. We also need to decide what cards to sideboard. Since we have 134 cards left at the moment and we still have to add a little over 60 more earth cards, we will have about 70 cards left to sideboard. Important cards:

phase shields
reverse time
nightmare
flying weapon
momentum
steal
deflagration
precognition (maybe)
antimatter
voodoo doll
pandemonium
wings
mindgate (I kinda doubt we'll use this card though)
poison
heals
various rares
pests
various pillars/pendulums (should match our sideboarded cards probably)
immolations
golems
PURIFY (we definitely want 3-6 of these)
more that I'm too tired to think of...

So ya, we need to decide on all of that stuff.

[Legit]

Should we take more earth pendulums? Not sure if pillar conversion works with pendulums.

[Skydaemon]

Should we take more earth pendulums? Not sure if pillar conversion works with pendulums.

As a new rule in War #2, teams now have the option to convert some of their cards. This means that they can replace any card in their Vault with a Pillar or a Pendulum of their element.

We can convert earth pendulums, but not other kinds.

[Skydaemon]

From what I learned last war, BB's, skins, graboids, and EQ's are all very important earth cards. So taking lots of those is a good thing.

One of the big weaknesses with this deck set we've got here is the number of elements we're in.  Right now we need things from all 12 elements to cover this deck set.  Every element we enter means we need to find a way to produce the quanta as well as the cards we want.  There's not a lot of overlap between the non-earth part of decks (hence no buffer for lost cards).  If we stock up on all the important earth cards, then losing 1-2 of certain non-earth cards is going to knock out whole decks.  I don't think we can afford to be taking more than about 18 of any earth card unless we manage to get rid of an element or two.

I figure the most likely things to be stolen from us, are things other people can use.  In general, that means things like pendulums (esp air pendulum for flying weapons), novas, immolations, and any cheap card of 3 quanta cost or below.  That's about the limit for what you can drive reliably with immolations, novas or just a few pendulums.  4 quanta cost can be used, but they happen after the battle is half over so they're less attractive.

[Demagog]

Refer to my edit.

Cards aren't stolen. You just discard a certain amount depending on what round it is. We want to spread ourselves out as much as possible so we can have as many options as possible. This also helps when salvaging; if we beat a deck that used nothing but life cards and we don't have any life cards yet, it won't be a useful salvage (although there aren't many life cards that would be useful to us in the first place).

And don't forget, we have to start with at least 223 earth cards. That's A LOT.

[coinich]

Has anyone suggested an Earth/Gravity duo?  Perm control, with Heavy Armor and Otys for creature control.  Honestly isn't my strongest element, so I've refrained somewhat from posting.  Also, a Stone Skin and Poison deck could be interesting.

[$$$man]

Has anyone suggested an Earth/Gravity duo?  Perm control, with Heavy Armor and Otys for creature control.  Honestly isn't my strongest element, so I've refrained somewhat from posting.  Also, a Stone Skin and Poison deck could be interesting.

Both those have already been posted. I personally love the SS poison, and use it for PvP occasionly