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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg179932#msg179932
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2010, 07:33:43 pm »
i would go with pendulums because it allows for more/less cards and you can belt out more creatures and get a better chance of that 'key card' if you know what i mean
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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg180180#msg180180
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2010, 01:43:54 am »
What would be better?

The skins and EA's are interchangeable. Basically I want to know if yall think pendulums or pillars would be better. If we go with pendulums, we won't need aether towers and can get rid of them, and have more initial pendulums (less earth pillars too, though).
I tried 3 rounds of each vs AI3.

The pendulum option:Round 1 vs life:  LOSS
-Had enough aether quanta to put up dim shields, lobo, and fractal.  Didn't have much to spare, but it worked.
-Lobo worked great to enfeeble a momentumed dragon, a growth forest spirit, and a parasite.  Around the 12 round or so he deflag'd it and I never saw the other one.
-Ended up losing, because of the earth quanta.  Never had enough to use SS effectively, so I used them with around 15 hp each or so.  Also, even with 11 pendulums up that can only power just under 1 shrieker a round.  He had a thorn shield that wiped them out as fast as I could play them.  I could barely make headway vs a single druid staff.  Shriekers are too expensive to fractal with only pendulums and no mark.

Round 2 vs fire : WIN
-Got a lucky start draw with both shriekers, a lobo, a dim shield, and pendulums, drew more dim shields and the other lobo within a couple cards.
-He deflag'd the first lobo right away, I played the second which stayed.
-Played the first shrieker, which he fire bolted.  Had to keep the second in my hand since it was my last.
-Eventually killed him with just the second lobo, while using the lobo to wipe out fire spirit growth, and other issues.
-Never saw a fractal all game, killed him with the lobo mostly.
-Never had the earth quanta to use the SS properly, but they weren't needed with the dim shields and lobo anyway.

Round 3 vs fire: LOSS
-Bad pendulum draw, 1 starting pend.  Several rounds went by before I got next, meanwhile he deflag'd my only pillar.
-Eventually I played a lobo, which he also deflag'd.
-By the time I got a single shield up, I was over half dead, and when it wore off he hit me a couple times before I got the next shield up, then he fire bolted me a few times into death.
Pillar Option:
Round 1 vs death: WIN
-Took 15 rounds to find a fractal.
-Mostly put up dim shields and waited, and waited.
-Eventually I got about 4-5 shriekers out which killed him before his parasites finished them off.

Round 2 vs fire:  LOSS
-Good draw.
-Got a shrieker fractaled by turn 7.  Had no quanta to play them though.  Played an average of one every 2 rounds with my 4 earth pillars powering them, which he killed with a lone parasite by the time I was playing the next one.
-After 3 dim shields I failed to find another one and he tooled me with his host of fire creatures (built up fire spirit, and dragon mainly).

Round 3 vs entropy: LOSS
-Decent draw with pillars, fractal, shrieker and dim shields.
-By the third card I could tell I was going to lose when he played a maxwell's demon.
-About round 7, I tried to save a couple quanta for a fractal, he played a discord and destroyed my aether quanta.  I never got to use fractal and saw that I never would.  His 2 maxwell demons were going to take out both my shriekers as soon as I played them.  I also no longer had the quanta to keep dim shields up.
-Round 10 I played both shrieker just so he wouldn't EM me.  lol.  He paradoxed them both and killed me with a purple dragon and other assorted creatures.
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I went 1 for 3 with both these decks, there were a couple main reasons:

-Putting two of an important card in a deck is too unreliable.  You need more fractals and shriekers to not be a crapshoot.  There is stuff that can go through dim shields, and if any of that happens, they'll kill you before you get your fractal going (which on average, should take you 7 cards in your hand, plus 9 drawn cards to see one of, and you need to do the same with shriekers).

-Shriekers are too expensive to work well with fractals.  I never really got more than 5 out even in an 18+ round fight.  I think either it needs something else costing 4 or less quanta, or just ditch the fractals and play a batch of them straight.  Even in the straight earth pillar version, by 9th card (beginning of round 10), you have an average of 4.5 earth pillars and 29.1 total earth quanta, enough for 3 shriekers.  In the pendulum version, you have 3.5 earth pillars worth (7 pendulums), and 22.64 earth quanta.  That's enough to play a shrieker, fractal it, then if play a second one.  That's not an unlucky draw, that's an average/expected draw.

-There's not enough earth quanta in the pendulum version to fully use SS, esp while trying to fund shriekers.

-Lobo's work really well with dim shields.

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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg180288#msg180288
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2010, 04:26:12 am »
Here's 10 test runs (90% win rate) with a modified hematite version:
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58q 58q 58q 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 61u 622 622 622test results:
test 1 entropy - LOSS
-good draw, lots of aether pillars, used fractal on round 3
-lobo up on round 4, used it on lycanthropes and put up dim shield
-round 9 he stole a full dim shield right before I killed him
-killed me just as the dim shield he stole was wearing off, I woulda won if I could've put up a new dim shield (which I couldn't), or if he hadn't stolen that round

test 2 time - WIN turn 11
-decent draw
-started lobo early, used it on fate eggs and anubis
-he tried to rt or use thunder and it didn't really do much damage

test 3 fire - WIN 9
-lobo'd his fire spirit
-fractal on round 7
-killed round 9, didn't even bother with dim shields

test 4 water - WIN 10
-bad draw, no earth pillars
-lobo'd his many chrysaora, blocked his arsenic with dim shields, and lobo'd his squids when those came out, important as it stopped the poison from building up behind my dim shields
-fractal on round 7
-killed round 10

test 5 light - WIN 13
-bad draw, no stone pillars
-got lobo round 6, used it on firefly queens, rustlers and pegasus after that while hiding behind dim shield
-chipped away, won on round 13, same time fractal showed up (it was unneeded to win that round though, although I had quanta to get the full hand of hematites out at that point, for 8 on field)

test 6 water - WIN 8
-good draw
-fractal on round 4, put out 1 hematite a round after that
-put out a dim shield on round 5
-EM victory on round 8

test 7 death - WIN 14
-good draw
-lobo'd vultures and virus'
-he plagued me but it couldn't kill the hematites fast enough
-dusk shield gave me issues, but I fractaled in round 10 and had out 6 hematites
-killed him round 14, I had enough for the second fractal but it wasn't needed.  His dusk shield and pest easily added 3+ rounds to his life.

test 8 life - WIN 16
-bad draw, low on pillars and he opened with a pest
-he deflag's my first lobo immediately
-second lobo stayed
-round 14 before I saw a hematite, fractal immediately, but he also pulled out a pulverizer same round, I woulda had the quanta to fractal twice but it uses all quanta not just the 9
-he rt one hematite and pulled a thorn carapace
-round 15, fractalled second time
-win 16

test 9 air - WIN 18
-decent draw
-lobo'd his firefly queens, pegasus, and flying owl's eye, and fireflys
-round 13 before a hematite showed
-fractal round 16 - had small # aether quanta and did a lot of lobo plus shields
-win round 18 after fractal

test 10 earth - WIN 16
-average draw
-he earthquaked my earth pillars early
-he rt'd my first two hematites which was a problem because after that I had no earth pillars (which had been EQ'd)
-then he EQ'd my aether pillars
-finally got out a hematite, which he used BB on
-he EQ'd my stone pillars again, I gave up on fractal since I had no earth quanta to play them anyway, just the 2 I had out
-he popped SS's
-ran out of dim shields, use fractal, played another hematite
-killed him round 16, after chipping away with an average of 1 unBB'd hematite and a lobo

Actually, this next deck works even better (same deck, using pendulums in place of  pillars - it evens out the initial draw of quanta which is better):
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Offline TimerClock14

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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg180553#msg180553
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2010, 06:28:06 pm »
i like it, but the first deck mentioned is illegal because it's not 50% earth. And either way, i feel like the second one is better.
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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg180577#msg180577
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2010, 07:09:06 pm »
My Decks:
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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg182324#msg182324
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2010, 12:13:27 am »
Sky, just fyi, the Shriekers/Fractal aren't there as the definitive win condition, rather to serve as an IWIN button against other stall decks, or something that cannot be decked out, which is it's primary win condition.
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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg197102#msg197102
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2010, 03:24:21 am »
okay so you all have probably gotten the PM i sent you with this deck, but i just want to put it out in the open for feedback and possibly archiving for later use.
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58q 58q 58q 58q 58q 593 593 593 593 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1I devised this deck with the facts of our shortages on shriekers and grabbys and high demand for a denial deck in mind. This is a wonderful alternative if you don't mind a slower deck. It gives you a larger space to make errors, requires no shriekers/grabbys. and is just as affective as a traditional dev-denial.
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Re: What are your preferred decks? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13946.msg199162#msg199162
« Reply #67 on: November 12, 2010, 01:42:34 am »
Here's another deck I wanted to post somewhere so I don't lose it.  It's more flexible than it looks, the grav pulls are primarily offensive, but they can become defensive on the titans in a pinch.

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