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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183764#msg183764
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2010, 07:59:54 pm »
Sky, go ahead and use the immolation deck I just posted. Yours with the novas means we can't use scrambled shriekers, which Terro will probably be using.
Yeah I tried that deck before, it seemed starved for fire quanta, so I started modifying from there to make it work better. 

The nova version had several interesting benefits,
-2 immolations and 1 nova can spit out 3 lava golems instead of 2 if powered just from immolations. 
-it was out of the gate a round earlier on a good draw.  We didn't bring any 0 cost immolation targets, so unupped pillars means you can't do anything until round 2.  Getting a golem out on round 1 happened sometimes, which meant they beat otyughs out of the gate. Also if I move second in the novaless, because of the immolates counting I sometimes have to discard out of my start hand.
-the extra novas let me pop the graboids as soon as they were played, often immolations leave me only able to pop one every couple of rounds.

Anyway, I'll work on a novaless version.  First thought is:
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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183788#msg183788
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2010, 08:14:28 pm »
Right been using the Wings deck and liking it so far in practice.

Pretty consistent results against anything that isnt  :fire or  :air.

I would be happy to go with that if there aren't many other decks spare for me.

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183790#msg183790
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2010, 08:16:02 pm »
Right been using the Wings deck and liking it so far in practice.

Pretty consistent results against anything that isnt  :fire or  :air.

I would be happy to go with that if there aren't many other decks spare for me.
I'm around right now, if you want to test it in pvp I can put up some life decks to pvp you.

I'm in the chat right now if you want to find me btw.

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183792#msg183792
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2010, 08:17:06 pm »
cool will wait in duel for you.

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183798#msg183798
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2010, 08:21:12 pm »
cool will wait in duel for you.
Ok, I'll pull the 3 decks from the life intel thread.  First up is demagog's thought with the emerald shields and elfs (the last in that thread).

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183799#msg183799
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2010, 08:22:16 pm »
awesome might only have time for one or two games but that will give me a better indication what to expect.

Skydaemon

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183841#msg183841
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2010, 09:08:06 pm »
First round of results with me playing Gl1tch's old decks that are in the life intel thread:

Against elf deck, dregg's wings deck won handily 3 times.  The BB was essential though, dragons and rustlers are both airborne.

Against frogtal it was a draw.  He couldn't overpower the empathic bonds, and frogtal couldn't dent the wings.  Whomever plays first decks out.

Against the third deck, the explosions kill wings.  I had a bad pillar draw which meant I couldn't get my rush out.  What I did get out he BB'd.  The empathic bonds nearly bought me a win even on a bad pillar draw though but he took the win in the end (with 12hp left).

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183844#msg183844
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2010, 09:08:57 pm »
right tweaked the deck with Skys help, this seems to be best to cover all 3 decks we think he might use:

(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4sr&deck=z858oz358qz358rz3591z6595z45aaz55oo)


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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183902#msg183902
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2010, 10:16:01 pm »
Sky, go ahead and use the immolation deck I just posted. Yours with the novas means we can't use scrambled shriekers, which Terro will probably be using.
Yeah I tried that deck before, it seemed starved for fire quanta, so I started modifying from there to make it work better. 

The nova version had several interesting benefits,
-2 immolations and 1 nova can spit out 3 lava golems instead of 2 if powered just from immolations. 
-it was out of the gate a round earlier on a good draw.  We didn't bring any 0 cost immolation targets, so unupped pillars means you can't do anything until round 2.  Getting a golem out on round 1 happened sometimes, which meant they beat otyughs out of the gate. Also if I move second in the novaless, because of the immolates counting I sometimes have to discard out of my start hand.
-the extra novas let me pop the graboids as soon as they were played, often immolations leave me only able to pop one every couple of rounds.

Anyway, I'll work on a novaless version.  First thought is:
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Take out those shriekers. You'll never be able to play them.

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183965#msg183965
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2010, 11:25:30 pm »
Ok, so dema helped me test the antimatter deck, and I can see it working with some SS modifications.  So here's the mod version I plan to take at the moment.

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Comments invited before I take this into battle~

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg183973#msg183973
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2010, 11:38:01 pm »
Ok, I have lots of options. I can use the deck I posted, or I could give it to Dreggs. If glitch takes a flying staffs deck, the wings deck is toast. Reverse time would be great against that and the rush part of the deck would be good against most other things. Or Dreggs can take the immolation deck and hope to rush... the gravity deck would also work if you subbed in three gravity pulls... I really have no idea what to give him. I can take pretty much any deck.

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Re: Round 1 Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14357.msg184149#msg184149
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 am »
It's probably a good idea to have everyone post the decks they propose to use...

However, I'm still not sure about mine and will have to come to a final decision tomorrow.

Ok, I have lots of options. I can use the deck I posted, or I could give it to Dreggs. If glitch takes a flying staffs deck, the wings deck is toast. Reverse time would be great against that and the rush part of the deck would be good against most other things. Or Dreggs can take the immolation deck and hope to rush... the gravity deck would also work if you subbed in three gravity pulls... I really have no idea what to give him. I can take pretty much any deck.
I very much doubt they'll play Flying Staves, due to being completely shut down by Grav Shield, which they know we have. They could still run it simply because we know they have a counter to Earth/Grav, but I wouldn't bet on it. It's very risky.

I think the Wings are a safe bet, and after all it is still the first round, we only lose 6 cards.

I like it, Sky. I can definitely see that winning against Gravity's most likely decks. It's sort of funny to see a Shield-based deck put out to counter Gravity ::)

However, there is always the threat of Fire Eaters, which could be annoying. I think the SS is a very good idea though, because I expect GG to send a Poison deck at us. Momentum'd Dune Scorps/Stalkers could really put the hurt on that deck, which was the main reason for the BBs. Hopefully it'll hold though.
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