Post by: Acsabi44 on March 27, 2011, 09:38:31 pm
Let's start with the best of the lot:
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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 55q 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5c1 5f6 5lc 5on 5ur 61qI built this deck from scratch and fine-tuned it after. I feel it is colse to the best possible :earth build. In fact, it has as a Holy Light as a filler card. HL is usually redundant and can be substituted with something else. Maybe a Blessing, tho 3 :light might be too much. A second deflag can be another option too. (The earlier versions used a Chos Seed in the place of the HL, but that deck used 3 :entropy which could be too much.)Note that the deck currently uses all 12 elements, which I like :P
The deck can compete with anything out there in terms of speed (with grabbies being :earth creatures, our novagrabby build is inherently the fastest out there. ImmoGolems and maybe life rush are the other top-speeders among Wardecks. ) while it has enough control to play midrange style if necessary. A Fog Shield- Shockwave change might be possible, although since the recent buff, Shockwave also can be shot at the head.
I built a second version of novagrabby.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 55q 55q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 595 5og 5og 5ur 5urThis version sacrifices some of its speed mor more control of the game, makin the deck more of a midrange than a rushdeck. It has approx the same speed as of an ImmoPhoenix, but thanks to more stalling, it can win the attrition war against one.Another very fast rushdeck.
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 591 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rr 5rr 5rr 5rrThis deck is like a machine gun, with precogs you can flip through the deck with ease (while seeing if the opponent has any cc in its hand) and with a full set of RTs, if used agressively, it can deny the opponent long enough to win against any other deck. This excells against immolation and nova builds. The RTs are flexible, and can be played as a stall if one assumes that the other player's deck is faster, tho usually I like to play them agressively(IMHO the RT is the best card in the game). The RT takes a bit of experience and skill to use correctly, which I know you all have.
The next deck is based on a neat trick I learned in last War(was it your team, Terro? or was it :life ?): Adrenaline plays well with a burrowed Shrieker.
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58r 58r 58r 58r 58s 58s 58v 58v 58v 592 592 594 594 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aaThis is an earth-stall splashing :gravity for the Pulverizer. I designed it with more gravity but gradually removed it as the deck evolved. I built this one to discover the possible usages of the brand new Acceleration, but it is kinda half-baked:
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55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 562 562 562 562 562 58q 58q 58q 58q 58q 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aaWhile adding some Pulverizers is tempting, it is actually unneeded as half of the creatures has built-in shield evasion. However, the deck feels a bit slow.The next deck was not possible befor the newest patch, so I doubt anyone will expect it:
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58u 58u 58u 58u 58u 58u 591 591 591 591 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 622 622 622 622 622It's pretty straightforward to play, not much to say, except that the deck is actually faster than it seems. Plus it has the advantage of surprise. I doubt anyone would waste CC on a measly Gnome Rider, so you can fractal it and then the opponent can do nothing to prevent the massive quanta flow. Fractal another, play SS if needed, then OTK the Shriekers for the win.I wanted to design a good firestall, but I am a rusher at heart. While I can make a decent stall if needed, it won't be terrific.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55t 55t 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 595 595 595 5lg 5lg 5v0 5v0 5v0The next one is from War2 too, I felt we need moar Discords but I couldn't design a better one:
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 595 595 5oi 5oi 5oiMy darkness duo is more of an idea than a complete deck, if focuses on denying all quanta from the opponent:
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Last war, I designed a pretty decent entropy/fire duo based on Catalyzeme's idea:
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4ve 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 58s 58s 591 591 593 593 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa...and it works :)Someone could build a good :light :earth stall. Miracles are good and the new card Sanctuary has potential in it, but as I mentioned earlier, I'm not good with stalls. I'll try to design one tho.
Post by: TimerClock14 on March 27, 2011, 10:00:17 pm
here's a good one, I use it for t50 farming a lot and It's wonderful:
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Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 27, 2011, 10:14:14 pm
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4st 593 593 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uvI know for the deck id actually need to change the mark for another pendulum, but I totally love this deck. Quanta denial, with some gargoyle damage.
Post by: Terroking on March 28, 2011, 12:18:26 am
Immolation (WIth/Without Grabis)
Otyugh/Plate Armor
Graboid rush (With/Without RT)
Scrambled Shriekers
Nova Voodoo
Thorn stall
Phase Shield/EA Stall
Gravuity stall
Dev/EQ
Diss Field stall
Fractal Golems (??)
Hope (??)
Miracle/SS Stall
Acceleration rush (??)
Blessed Wardens (??)
Wings/EE (??)
Poison Stall
Armor+Scarab (??)
Lightning/Silence Splash (??)
Rage Pot/Golem (??)
I know it's a lot of decks, yes, and obviously we won't take all or even most of them, but I think we should consider all the options. Moist of the decks can take on sideboard cards to deal with specific strategies.
(??)=Questionable, may not be worth taking on.
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 28, 2011, 12:55:18 am
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Might use Bless for wardens.
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 28, 2011, 03:14:40 am
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Post by: TimerClock14 on March 28, 2011, 03:19:52 am
Post by: Kakerlake on March 28, 2011, 09:56:02 am
Reversed Quaking Grabos:
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This makes the deck very versatile and depending on the vault, it can be built however you like.
A few possibilities:
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 590 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rkMono Earth Stall:
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Post by: Acsabi44 on March 28, 2011, 11:06:16 am
The grabby rush with GotP seems especially strong.
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I was thinking of adding wardens instead of BB's, but either I just wasn't lucky with them or they don't work for this deck.Warden is simply inferior. I considered the warden vs. BB problem earlier, and this is what I got:
playing a warden instead of a BB.
PROS
- creature, so it can attack if buffedit can kill the opposing critter if buffedcan be cast and used with only 1 :earth in stock (this can be important when playing vs quanta denial)
CONS
for my playstyle, the BB is obviously superior. Maybe in a heavy stall the Warden can be better on the long run, but being a creature, it is too fragile to be a stall engine in itself. Maybe Blessed Wardens could work, I dunno. If I have a Bless in my hand, I'd almost always rather bless a Shrieker or Golem.
Post by: Spielkind on March 28, 2011, 06:30:11 pm
what i have to say so far is that stall is a realy good way and i love this gravity deck with gravity shield... looks like a awesome deck!
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 28, 2011, 08:53:40 pm
i realy like your ideas and im shocked, how active you guys are planing! *thumbs up* i love our team!Time is of essence, and we don't have much. We have to settle on 9-10 decks in a few days and fine-tune them with sideboard cards. We don't even know how big our vault is, and how many premade decks we wanna incorporate, and how many of them will be rushes and how many stalls. Tho lots of players say :earth is a stall element, I'd like us to focus on agressive tactics.
what i have to say so far is that stall is a realy good way and i love this gravity deck with gravity shield... looks like a awesome deck!
I'd like to see 1, preferably 2 nova/grabbies, 2 other rushes, two midrangedecks (one preferably with discord) and heavy stalls for the rest, one firestall, one mono and one anti-discord with :light
The friestall's win condition no1. should not be decking but bolting.
That grav shield idea... I tried to build a deck around it but it's just not tier-1.
Post by: $$$man on March 29, 2011, 10:56:25 pm
This deck absolutely tears apart rushes and can mess with life and fire really well.
Insane CC > Creatures
Stoneskin > Firebolt
Discord > Quanta starved decks.
Another thing I would recommend is overstocking on pillars/pendulums. Not only will it help you against discord, but it can also provide some backup.
Post by: Kakerlake on March 30, 2011, 08:52:21 pm
I modified it into a pure stall:Code: [Select]58o 58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 594 594 596 596 596 596 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5lh 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm
this is the best I could come up with in a haste. will give it another thought tomorrow.
Might use Bless for wardens.
"The Immortal"
You will have an insane ammount of life with this deck. Use 1-2 miracles while having 100 health will boost your earth quanta. when you reach 50 or more, you are pretty much save & immortal.
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 30, 2011, 10:41:36 pm
I would consider adding Protect artifacts in this, if one faces a kind of discord bow with deflags, or whateverI modified it into a pure stall:Code: [Select]58o 58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 594 594 596 596 596 596 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5lh 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm
this is the best I could come up with in a haste. will give it another thought tomorrow.
Might use Bless for wardens.
"The Immortal"
You will have an insane ammount of life with this deck. Use 1-2 miracles while having 100 health will boost your earth quanta. when you reach 50 or more, you are pretty much save & immortal.
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 31, 2011, 12:13:31 am
Post by: Spielkind on March 31, 2011, 04:45:56 am
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 31, 2011, 12:17:14 pm
if light, i would take a shield to prevent fireboltstalls... cause that you cant prevent...Nah it's unnecessary if you buff your HP to 300-ish range then they cannot really bolt you out (and your HP will go even further, almost all matches I played with it, I reached the 500 cap)
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 31, 2011, 12:59:38 pm
? ? ?'s are the mark codes where I left them in.
So, as a list of decks (This is just text, mind, I'll get to details and ect. later) we have:
Immolation (WIth/Without Grabis)
Otyugh/Plate Armor
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55t 55t 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 595 595 595 595 595 595 5lg 5lg 5v0 5v0 5v0Thorn stall
Phase Shield/EA Stall
Gravuity stall
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Fractal Golems (??)
Hope (??)
With gemfinder getting an ability, this deck is pretty much obsolete.
Miracle/SS Stall
Acceleration rush (??)
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Wings/EE (??)
Poison Stall
Armor+Scarab (??)
Lightning/Silence Splash (??)
Rage Pot/Golem (??)
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 31, 2011, 01:03:29 pm
Post by: Kakerlake on March 31, 2011, 02:21:26 pm
Otyugh/Plate Armor// replaced Gravity Pendulums with earth Pendulums.
-4 Pendulums, +5 grav Pillars.
Works nicely.
Thorn stallIMO this is inferior to the :light :earth stall and RNG really doesn't like this deck either. (Terroking can confirm that)
Phase Shield/EA StallA little risky due to the low ammount of cards, but this is a really mean deck.
Fractal Golems (??)meh... I don't like this one.
But the idea of a fractal stall just popped into my mind =)
:aether :earth with fractal gnomes + SS & Shields. might work.
Hope (??)?
With gemfinder getting an ability, this deck is pretty much obsolete.
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Armor+Scarab (??)50% earth rule.
also, 9 Earth Pillars for 5/6 needed quanta in the deck? o.O
The other decks look nice.
Post by: Acsabi44 on March 31, 2011, 04:58:54 pm
Otyugh/Plate Armor// replaced Gravity Pendulums with earth Pendulums.
-4 Pendulums, +5 grav Pillars.
Works nicely.
Sorry obviously I wanted Earth pendulums there my bad :PThorn stallIMO this is inferior to the :light :earth stall and RNG really doesn't like this deck either. (Terroking can confirm that)
agreePhase Shield/EA StallA little risky due to the low ammount of cards, but this is a really mean deck.Fractal Golems (??)meh... I don't like this one.
But the idea of a fractal stall just popped into my mind =)
:aether :earth with fractal gnomes + SS & Shields. might work.Hope (??)? Might worth a shot, I will test it.
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Me neither. If it were up to me I wouldn't run this concept at all.Armor+Scarab (??)50% earth rule.
also, 9 Earth Pillars for 5/6 needed quanta in the deck? o.O
Sorry again, remove the GoTP and add some earth cards. BTW this is not a very potent deck either.
The other decks look nice.
Thankyou. The idea was to start a discussion and to give you ideas (since we don't have much time, and not a lot of decks are being posted) rather than to present fine-tuned top tier decks.
Post by: TimerClock14 on March 31, 2011, 09:44:28 pm
Post by: Terroking on April 01, 2011, 02:18:31 am
Also, about the Thorn Stall: The big pro is that it can some actual way to kill creatures, which the :earth/:light does not. It's pretty vulnerable if they opponent has a lot of high damage characters, since they'll be able to get them all out by the end. I do 100% agree that it is hard-countered by the RNG, though :(
Another pro is that we really only need the Heals & Carapace, Staves optional, so it's good to adapt from other deck carcasses.
However, we shouldn't take it unless we have extras.
Post by: Kakerlake on April 01, 2011, 11:20:27 am
A first sketch of a vault, containing these decks:
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2x
2x
1x
2x
1x
1x
Leading to this Vault:
- Earth
- 51 Pillar 51 Pendulum 9 Hematite Golem 8 Titan Shield 12 Gnome Rider 24 Graboid 4 Enchant Artifact 8 Earthquake 18 StoneSkin 20 Basilisk Blood
- 1 Lycantrophobe 12 Nova 4 Discord
- 12 Poison 7 Arsenic
- 3 Momentum
- 1 Forest Spirit
- 4 Deflagration 10 Immolation 8 Lava Golem
- 6 Pillar 6 Pendulum 2 Holy Light 4 Morning Star 10 Miracle 12 Sanctuary
- 4 Pillar 2 Fog Shield 6 Flying Weapon 4 Owl's Eye 1 Shockwave 5 Wings
- 10 Reverse Time 6 Ghost of the Past
- 2 Vampiric Stiletto
- 3 Lightning
There are still 108 more cards that can be added. Some cards I'd like to add are here:
- Earth
- 6 Antlion
- 9 Hematite Golem 6 Stone Dragon 2 Auburn Nymph
- 6 Heavy Armor
- 4 Earthquake 4 Enchant Artifact
- 4 Pulverizer
Entropy
- 4 Pillars 6 Antimatter 4 Pandemonium 3 Dissipation Field 3 Chaos Seed
Gravity
- 4 Sapphire Charger 3 Gravity Shield 3 Otyugh
- 3 Gravity Pull
Water
- 4 Purify
Light
- 4 Holy Light
- 2 Reflective Shield
Time
- 6 Pillar
- 2 Reverse Time
- 2 Eternity
Darkness
- 3 Voodoo Doll
- 6 Devourer
- 3 Steal 2 Black Dragon
Now, what do you folks think about this? Did I miss a couple of important cards? What would you change?
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on April 01, 2011, 11:37:04 am
Post by: Acsabi44 on April 01, 2011, 01:50:41 pm
Also, I think your nova-bow is inferior to my build. (no offense, I just tested them both. The golem is redundant and the gemfinders cannot double as a pillar. The 2 HL is also unneded.
My version looks overpillared, but in fact it helps to prevail against the biggest enemy of theese kinds of decks, which is RT)
I'd run this, or maybe a -1 HL +1 deflag version:
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Post by: TimerClock14 on April 01, 2011, 08:14:07 pm
EDIT: Ohh, and pillars. I would definitely add 20 Earth Pillars (or even more) to that vault. Come mid-rounds, underpillard teams fail first, honest.^THIS
we need lots and lots and LOTS of pillars/pends. that was our downfall last war
Post by: Spielkind on April 02, 2011, 10:08:02 am
im fine with the vault, dont know any more to need, fill up with things, so we wont need to build suicide decks!
Post by: Acsabi44 on April 02, 2011, 01:01:32 pm
- 2x Grabby rushes, the GoTP version. I tested them all and this is hands down the strongest version.
- 1x Nova/grabby. IMO This is our best deck.
- 1x Scrambled Shriekers
- 1x ImmoGolems. I am worried about this deck's relative inconsistency, so I wouldn't include more than 1 among the starter decks.
- 2x PosionStall. This deck has been effective in Team Fire, and is darn effective here as well. A simple, elegant all-around deck.
- 2x Fat :light :earth stall ("The Immortal" will do nicely). It shuts down a vide array of decks including firestalls DBH pestal midrange decks etc etc.
- 1x Mono :earth stall with Grav mark or a :earth :gravity duo. Yeah Pulverizers rock. They shut down a Vader Sader, lots of air decks (wings, OE UG will be staples in :air 's repertoire) etc.
- 1x :darkness :earth duo. Denial is an effective tactic and it is easy to build either a heavy stall or a midrange deck upon the skeleton of the deck (pests/EQs/Steals)
Other cards in the vault:
- 15 pillars and 10 pendulums. Useful later and/or makes discarding in first rounds easier.
- BBs until maximum reached. IMO the second best card in our arsenal.
- Add RTs until 12
- I'd like to see the skeleton of a second nova/grabby added. We cannot include any more novae and graboids but let's add the other cards and if we can salvage novae then we can run another novagrabby.
- Vampire Silettos are too good and easily splashable into anything to miss a few.
- Discords. They worth splashing :entropy on their own, but no doubt we will be able to salvage key entropy cards so maybe in later rounds we can round an entropy duo around our Discords.
- A playset of Wings. They can be run off the mark and are an elegant solution to lots of problems.
- Deflags and Lava Golems. Maybe we can build a deck based on the golems later, but anyway, PC is useful.
- Purifies and Ice Shields. Purifies are a no-brainer, they are splashable.
- PU. They double as Shriekers, Dragos or whatever. Also OTK is a nice surprising tactic.
This is around 70 extra cards. The rest should be replacement for key :earth cards.
Post by: Kakerlake on April 03, 2011, 08:26:45 pm
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You have run out of time to Complete your Opening Vault.As to the vault, how does this sound?
Remember generals, you can edit your Vault up until the last minute.
So there is no need to hold back on loading up your spreadsheet.
// might have a few minor mistakes in it since I'm not home and don't have my files at hand. Doublechecking by anyone would be appreciated.
2x Grabby GotP Rush, 1x Nova Grabby, 1 Discording Grabs, 1x Immo, 2x Poison Stall, 2x phat :light :earth , 1x Mono :earth , 1x :darkness :earth
- Earth
- 56 Pillar 62 Pendulum 1 Hematite Golem 8 Titan Shield 5 Gnome Rider 21 Graboid 6 Enchant Artifact 20 Earthquake 24 StoneSkin 24 Basilisk Blood 4 Pulverizer 2 Auburn Nymph
- 1 Lycantrophobe 12 Nova 4 Discord
- 12 Poison 6 Arsenic
- 2 Momentum
- 1 Forest Spirit
- 3 Deflagration 5 Immolation 4 Lava Golem
- 6 Pillar 6 Pendulum 1 Holy Light 4 Morning Star 10 Miracle 12 Sanctuary
- 1 Fog Shield 8 Flying Weapon 1 Shockwave
- 10 Reverse Time 6 Ghost of the Past
- 3 Vampiric Stiletto 6 Devourer 4 Steal
- 2 Lightning
- Earth
- 17 Pillar 11 Pendulum 6 Antlion 3 Graboid 6 Shrieker 5 Hematite Golem 6 Stone Dragon
- 4 Discord
- 6 Purify 2 Ice Shield
- 3 Deflagration 1 Immolation 2 Lava Golem
- 6 Wings 4 Owl's Eye
- 2 Reverse Time
- 2 Vampiric Stiletto
- 6 Parallel Universe
Post by: Terroking on April 04, 2011, 04:32:37 am
Notes:
I would probably replace those TUs, Ice Shields, and all Holy Lights with either 6x Dim Shield & 3 Fractals or 6x Devourer and 3x Dusk Shield. Another option is to take 12 Ent Pillars, 4 Anti-matters, and 4 Diss Fields, but that'd require a lot more cards.e
The Dev denial deck is really stellar and by far our best counter to almost the entire arsenal of :aether & :life, as well as being strong against other decks. The Dim Shield deck (We could also turn it into a Fractal Golem or Antlion deck if we needed to) while it has lost every single game it has ever played against the RNG, is in theory an incredibly good counter to Entropy, simply stopping many of their best decks outright. (Assuming Stone Skins to counter Poison/Bolts/ect)
Frankly, HLs aren't too useful, as we can usually just out-rush most of Darkness/Death's decks, TUs and Ice Sheild seem nice to have but actually it's better to have more worth-wile cards.
I haven't actually read anything regarding propaganda, but assuming it works like it did last War Graboids/Novas would likely be our best picks there.
To Timer: Sorry I haven't gotten you DeckCheck yet, I promise I'll try to get it to as ASAP. (You may have already gotten it and saying this is pointless, I'll go check that thread now.
Post by: Acsabi44 on April 04, 2011, 12:54:03 pm
I totally forgot about the propaganda bonus. If we can go beyond the initial maximum card amounts, then we should definitely pick 6 garabby and 6 novae and run a second nova/grabby there.
I also agree that PU is not the best addition to our vault. It was a top-off-my ghead idea to play PU-ed Dragons
OTOH even if we don' t use them in our initial decks, a few fractals are good to have.
What I worry about is the relative small amount of CC in our vault (well besides RT, but that, while being one of the best cards out there, is not hard CC).
Post by: TimerClock14 on April 04, 2011, 01:03:04 pm
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Post by: Kakerlake on April 05, 2011, 12:22:33 pm
IMO it might be wise to remove ~20 Pillars/Pends and replace them with something that improves other decks, like :darkness cards for the devourers, dimshields and some hard cast CC (I <3 Shockwave).
We can convert 24 cards after each round anyway, so it is always possible to discard a few pillars and then convert something else into pillars.
Post by: Acsabi44 on April 05, 2011, 01:36:09 pm
Our Vault has currently ~140 :earth Pillars/Pendulums. Don't you folks think that is a little too much?We have only 30 excess pillars beyond our initial decks so I advise against it.
IMO it might be wise to remove ~20 Pillars/Pends and replace them with something that improves other decks, like :darkness cards for the devourers, dimshields and some hard cast CC (I <3 Shockwave).
We can convert 24 cards after each round anyway, so it is always possible to discard a few pillars and then convert something else into pillars.
Post by: Acsabi44 on April 05, 2011, 05:15:55 pm
Round 1 Match Results we show "The Immortal" :earth :light stall, right? And then everybody will know that it can win only by decking. And wheneber they guess we will play it, they will send a 41-card deck, and if they're right it's GG for us, right?
Wrong. That's when we add 3 Morningstars to the deck and rock them. But to accomplish that, we must pull 3 Stars from our propaganda bonus. In place of 3 Graboids, yes. But we don't want to run all twentysomething in one round either so it's okay.
The other option is to put Star to first place on the salvage list.
Post by: Kakerlake on April 05, 2011, 05:46:04 pm
Contrary to last war the propaganda bonus is already included in the starting vault.
Either way, I already added a couple of stars to the vault (seen in the vault thread) just for such an occasion.
We don't have to use them anyway. Contrary to last war, we have plenty of spare cards that needn't be used but when we expect our opponents to expect The Immortal, we add them.
Post by: Kakerlake on April 10, 2011, 09:54:25 am
Upped golems are required, schields not so much.
The idea of this deck is to first stall a while, then spam SS when you run out of shields and fractal your golem (don't play it without fractal). Aftert that, sit back and enjoy the messages sent to you.
Would be nice to use against time, since they will first think: yay, a stall! I iz win with mah eternity! and when an army of golems join the battle they will be like 8O
For us to be usefull, we would need phase shields.
Post by: TimerClock14 on April 10, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
antlilons are more consistent in that deck, but they need more fractals. If the vault allows, we should use that deck but with antlions
Upped golems are required, schields not so much.
The idea of this deck is to first stall a while, then spam SS when you run out of shields and fractal your golem (don't play it without fractal). Aftert that, sit back and enjoy the messages sent to you.
Would be nice to use against time, since they will first think: yay, a stall! I iz win with mah eternity! and when an army of golems join the battle they will be like 8O
For us to be usefull, we would need phase shields.
Post by: Kakerlake on April 10, 2011, 02:30:53 pm
antlilons are more consistent in that deck, but they need more fractals. If the vault allows, we should use that deck but with antlionsI'm rather against antlions here.
The problem is, that this deck has to wait for the SS to be pumping the health beyond limits, so you can safely waste the rest of your earth quanta.
When you have ~50 earth quanta, you spam SS and fractal the golem, costing you ~40 Quanta and as such empty your whole quanta pool (with SS). Using antlions, you would only use up half your quanta, the rest going to waste.
It usually isn't needed to fractal more than once since placing 10 golems at once will pretty quickly kill your opponent.
Post by: TimerClock14 on April 10, 2011, 02:46:46 pm
Point.antlilons are more consistent in that deck, but they need more fractals. If the vault allows, we should use that deck but with antlionsI'm rather against antlions here.
The problem is, that this deck has to wait for the SS to be pumping the health beyond limits, so you can safely waste the rest of your earth quanta.
When you have ~50 earth quanta, you spam SS and fractal the golem, costing you ~40 Quanta and as such empty your whole quanta pool (with SS). Using antlions, you would only use up half your quanta, the rest going to waste.
It usually isn't needed to fractal more than once since placing 10 golems at once will pretty quickly kill your opponent.
Idk, the way you suggest playing it will be a pretty common playscenario in the deck; so I guess it's all good then.
Fractal antlions is pretty damn fast though. Specially if you are using upped ants. (would have been a better deck for this round, actually)
Post by: Avenger on April 10, 2011, 03:03:17 pm
My fractal golem deck i already used (though lost with it):
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58o 58o 58q 58q 58q 58q 594 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622This was my first deck against kevkev in the last 2 powerful (only even cost unupped cards) tournament.
Post by: Avenger on April 14, 2011, 02:13:05 pm
And the most "successful war deck in war 2" converted to earth.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 590 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f6 5og 5oi 5oi 61q