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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470197#msg470197
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2012, 10:58:36 pm »
Is there any commonly known reason/pro for making all the shards in the other element?
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470206#msg470206
« Reply #145 on: March 13, 2012, 12:04:29 am »
Is there any commonly known reason/pro for making all the shards in the other element?
1) There was more room remaining under the Other tag than under each other element. (There is finite room)
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470215#msg470215
« Reply #146 on: March 13, 2012, 12:38:08 am »
This is what I call a bad reason, lol.

Other is not an element, its there, I think, just to include some cards like QT, that dont really belong to any element. Why should it have the same amount of cards of the actual elements? Its goal shouldnt be like count as an extra element, nor having cards that are better than the elemental cards. My 2 cents.

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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470218#msg470218
« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2012, 12:53:23 am »
This is what I call a bad reason, lol.

Other is not an element, its there, I think, just to include some cards like QT, that dont really belong to any element. Why should it have the same amount of cards of the actual elements? Its goal shouldnt be like count as an extra element, nor having cards that are better than the elemental cards. My 2 cents.
Why does it have the same amount of cards slots in the card database as actual elements? Because it has a separate section in the Bazaar.

Why does it have a separate section in the Bazaar? So new players would understand  :rainbow quicker.

Why does :rainbow exist? One of the reasons it exists is to condense the number of cards needed in the card pool to represent the same idea. We would rather 1 Longsword costing :rainbow than have 12 Longswords. It also allows for random quanta manipulation like QT or Devourer.

Why do Shards cost  :rainbow:rainbow can produce generic effects. One of the three themes that arises from this mechanic is having a base effect that grows if the correct element is used. This is the predicted rational behind shards.
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470237#msg470237
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2012, 01:34:47 am »
Edit: maybe Im misunderstanding you, are you talking about cards SLOTS? Other can have card slots, but we dont need all these filled, right? At this point, not adding cards to the elements cannot be justified by lack of card slots. If the space is even going to be completely filled (like 20 years from now), something else can be done, like remove useless cards, reedit them, add more space.

I also dont feel that these shard effects are generic. The small effect related to an element can be generic. But we are adding a bigger effect that is not, or at least was not generic until now. Draw acceleration, for example, was not a generic effect.

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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470286#msg470286
« Reply #149 on: March 13, 2012, 03:36:43 am »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference

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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470378#msg470378
« Reply #150 on: March 13, 2012, 11:30:58 am »
Edit: maybe Im misunderstanding you, are you talking about cards SLOTS? Other can have card slots, but we dont need all these filled, right? At this point, not adding cards to the elements cannot be justified by lack of card slots. If the space is even going to be completely filled (like 20 years from now), something else can be done, like remove useless cards, reedit them, add more space.

I also dont feel that these shard effects are generic. The small effect related to an element can be generic. But we are adding a bigger effect that is not, or at least was not generic until now. Draw acceleration, for example, was not a generic effect.
A detailed examination of card codes (those used in the import deck function) reveals a system used to assign codes to cards. This is why the :rainbow costing shards were put in Other rather than in each element but still costing :rainbow. (<--This was the question I was answering. I was not defending specific effects being on :rainbow costing shards nor defending specific effects not costing elemental quanta.)
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470493#msg470493
« Reply #151 on: March 13, 2012, 08:11:07 pm »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference
Nonsense. A few minutes playing ETG should be enough to convince anyone that there are many great mono/duo decks. There was probably a point in history when rainbows ruled the roost but they suffered enormously when sundial got nerfed.  Fat rainbows are now rarely fast enough to succeed against the really fast decks that mostly dominate PvP & arena.  Speedbows are also in for a serious nerf pretty soon when Singularity makes it out of development.
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470583#msg470583
« Reply #152 on: March 14, 2012, 12:32:00 am »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470605#msg470605
« Reply #153 on: March 14, 2012, 02:30:38 am »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference
Nonsense. A few minutes playing ETG should be enough to convince anyone that there are many great mono/duo decks. There was probably a point in history when rainbows ruled the roost but they suffered enormously when sundial got nerfed.  Fat rainbows are now rarely fast enough to succeed against the really fast decks that mostly dominate PvP & arena.  Speedbows are also in for a serious nerf pretty soon when Singularity makes it out of development.
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470632#msg470632
« Reply #154 on: March 14, 2012, 03:34:03 am »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference
Nonsense. A few minutes playing ETG should be enough to convince anyone that there are many great mono/duo decks. There was probably a point in history when rainbows ruled the roost but they suffered enormously when sundial got nerfed.  Fat rainbows are now rarely fast enough to succeed against the really fast decks that mostly dominate PvP & arena.  Speedbows are also in for a serious nerf pretty soon when Singularity makes it out of development.
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Re: Shard of Integrity | Shard of Integrity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37247.msg470798#msg470798
« Reply #155 on: March 14, 2012, 04:00:30 pm »
They should just scrap the whole element idea and put everything in the same section. The best decks are rainbows anyways so it's not like anyone will notice the difference
Nonsense. A few minutes playing ETG should be enough to convince anyone that there are many great mono/duo decks. There was probably a point in history when rainbows ruled the roost but they suffered enormously when sundial got nerfed.  Fat rainbows are now rarely fast enough to succeed against the really fast decks that mostly dominate PvP & arena.  Speedbows are also in for a serious nerf pretty soon when Singularity makes it out of development.
I feel he was being sarcastic.
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You know what's scarier? I actually don't understand the sarcasm here. Which part were you guys saying was sarcastic?
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