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Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260171#msg260171
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:51:39 am »
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I know you're probably asking "Wtf? Why does this guy have Graboids, AND Basalt Dragons in an all Upped deck!?" The answer is, BECAUSE IT'S A RUSH!
The Objective of this deck is to play your :earth Towers and get your Graboids out and Protect Artifact your pillars. I know you're now saying Why the fudge does this guy want us to Protect Artifact our pillars?" Answer is BECAUSE IT PROTECTS THEM FROM QUICKSANDS AND STEALS! Once you do this. You want to evolve your Graboids into Elite Shriekers and save up quantum for your Basalt Dragons. Thanks!

EDIT: I just played 10 AI5s, the scoring ended up 5-5.

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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260172#msg260172
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 02:53:24 am »
Protect Artifacts seem a little counter-intuitive in a rush deck, especially 4 of them for 1 pile of towers. Go for either more offense, more towers or even some Precognitions.
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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260174#msg260174
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 02:59:10 am »
Protect Artifacts seem a little counter-intuitive in a rush deck, especially 4 of them for 1 pile of towers. Go for either more offense, more towers or even some Precognitions.
I have the 4 PA's for a better draw rate. But that also makes it a Duo deck, and that's not what I wanted. Also more towers would give it too much quanta.

How about this. I'll split it halve Towers Halve Pendulums. *FAIL*

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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260180#msg260180
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 03:04:22 am »
How about this. I'll split it halve Towers Halve Pendulums.
Doesn't work that way -- you'll only end up with way too much :time quanta that you won't be able to use.

Splitting Towers and Pendulums only works if the mark is the same as the element of the deck's cards.
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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260181#msg260181
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 03:06:36 am »
Doesn't work that way -- you'll only end up with way too much :time quanta that you won't be able to use.

Splitting Towers and Pendulums only works if the mark is the same as the element of the deck's cards.
This is true, I wasn't thinking of that (Obviously) when I thought of that.

Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260190#msg260190
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 03:16:31 am »
Maybe this will work?
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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260209#msg260209
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 03:41:49 am »
-2 PA and +2 Grabroids

Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260524#msg260524
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 02:46:26 pm »
why do you have PA in the first place?
to protect the towers? only when you are facing against a trident, or an earth deck, will you ever have to worry about your towers... at most, 1 PA is more than enough...
so... -3 PA +2 Graboids +1 tower

also, dragons are not good in most rushes, so...
-2 dragons +2 steel golems (or shriekers, but i like golems better)

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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260603#msg260603
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2011, 04:51:26 pm »
You have already used 8 spell cards, 4 of which are none too useful to begin with. So I would say it isn't a rush deck. I don't see the shriekers you mentioned, and only 4 graboids. That is a waste of  :time quanta. Dragons are too expensive for a rush anyway.

This deck is stuck halfway. It isn't a good rush and it isn't a good control either. Even in a control, I would not use dragons. Would not use PA either. You have rewinds/quicksands and basilisk blood to choose from. All of which I consider superior.

I could see your point, if you had made a stall. Add dragons, shields, a few PA, maybe the pulvy. That way there is an actual use for it. Cost makes no difference, since here you will spam granite skins before you lay out the dragons. That is a fun build. Bit more difficult to play but it does work.

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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260647#msg260647
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 06:07:07 pm »
You have already used 8 spell cards, 4 of which are none too useful to begin with. So I would say it isn't a rush deck. I don't see the shriekers you mentioned, and only 4 graboids. That is a waste of  :time quanta. Dragons are too expensive for a rush anyway.

This deck is stuck halfway. It isn't a good rush and it isn't a good control either. Even in a control, I would not use dragons. Would not use PA either. You have rewinds/quicksands and basilisk blood to choose from. All of which I consider superior.

I could see your point, if you had made a stall. Add dragons, shields, a few PA, maybe the pulvy. That way there is an actual use for it. Cost makes no difference, since here you will spam granite skins before you lay out the dragons. That is a fun build. Bit more difficult to play but it does work.
I did fix the part where it says Shriekers.

It's still a rush if you think about it. Rushes main purpose is to deal damage fast enough for the enemy not to react. I'm not trying to sound rude when I say this but if you were to try the deck you would see it is a very good deck. I am currently tweaking it with using only 2 PAs and maybe putting in 2 Graboids and taking out 2 dragons putting in 2 towers.

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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260653#msg260653
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 06:34:09 pm »
Just do normal Shrieker Rush. Better win-rate, faster games, better everything.
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Re: Artishriek (Mono Earth rush) AI3 and AI5 killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20494.msg260655#msg260655
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 06:37:29 pm »
I know very well how these decks work. If you compare it to a better version, then maybe 4 cards are really bad. (The PA) That is not a huge difference. You can still win many games with it.

I happen to not call spell supported decks pure rush decks. I call them control decks.

Instead, you should try the graboid/golem/antlion rush and check what happens!

That, or you use something like 11 towers/6 graboids/4 golems/4 quakes and 5 rewinds or BB.

It may not be a huge difference, but it is superior. Especially the quake/rewind double jab will make the AI efforts laughable. AI3 can barely play at all. AI5 is harder, but you get more than 50% out of it.
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