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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6280#msg6280
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »
Poison or fire?
That's the choice for a speedy grinding in top50. Poison is faster, fire has more winning percentage. Wht to do?
Use them both!

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This deck is about simplycity: works like a fire deck, but instead of making some damage with fahrenheit then see it stolen, let's get some advantage poisoning your enemy waiting for the right moment to strike.

Strenghts:
- no problems against miracle (ai wont use it unless you try to kill him with poison: so never)
- faster than standard fire

Weaknesses:
- no defence at all
- lose against reflecting shields (but they're very rare)

Options:
- replace 2-3 pillars with explosion if you dislike emphatic bonds, or with sundials upgraded if you want more defence.

Enjoy
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 12:06:51 am by willng3 »

top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6281#msg6281
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

This is a simplistically neat idea. I would probably do as you said and replace two Towers with Explosions, but this looks as thought it would work quite well assuming that you don't die before you have enough quanta to kill them. I think that the Light/Fire with upgraded sundials might be a tad better, since it has defence AND draw.

Scaredgirl

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6282#msg6282
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

Turin, turin, turin.. once again you have made tons of weird or simply false statements. :) So many if fact that I don't have the time or the energy to correct them.

I've seen this kind of deck before and also tested it. Mark of Death + 6 x Deadly Poison works basically in any kind of deck that doesn't need the extra quantum from mark. Unfortunately it looks better on paper than in reality.

I don't know if you have actually TESTED this deck but I can tell you it pretty much sucks.

Weaknesses:

1. It's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW......
2. Low winning percentage (you can EASILY lose to level 3 opponent, not to mention a top-50 opponent).
3. The most boring deck ever created by mankind. (no creatures, 2 different non-pillar cards.. click and wait, click and wait, zzz..)

This deck does pretty well against standard anti-God rainbow but is, like I said, SLOW. Death/Water poison deck is MUCH MUCH MUCH faster, works as non-upgraded also and has a better winning percentage.

If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to grind with Fire Bolt deck, I would probably go with mark of water and take 6 x Congeal, which could be used to shut down enemy creatures and give me time to collect that 100 quantum or whatever. Or just take mark of Fire and take Explosions and Rain of Fire.

turin

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6283#msg6283
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

Turin, turin, turin.. once again you have made tons of weird or simply false statements. :) So many if fact that I don't have the time or the energy to correct them.

I've seen this kind of deck before and also tested it. Mark of Death + 6 x Deadly Poison works basically in any kind of deck that doesn't need the extra quantum from mark. Unfortunately it looks better on paper than in reality.

I don't know if you have actually TESTED this deck but I can tell you it pretty much sucks.

Weaknesses:

1. It's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW......
2. Low winning percentage (you can EASILY lose to level 3 opponent, not to mention a top-50 opponent).
3. The most boring deck ever created by mankind. (no creatures, 2 different non-pillar cards.. click and wait, click and wait, zzz..)

This deck does pretty well against standard anti-God rainbow but is, like I said, SLOW. Death/Water poison deck is MUCH MUCH MUCH faster, works as non-upgraded also and has a better winning percentage.

If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to grind with Fire Bolt deck, I would probably go with mark of water and take 6 x Congeal, which could be used to shut down enemy creatures and give me time to collect that 100 quantum or whatever. Or just take mark of Fire and take Explosions and Rain of Fire.
Scaredgirl you're boring. If you dont like this deck you can tell  me, but it works. Having defence isnt a need: i've tested long time a mono-fire with only fahreneits, lances, explosions and a pair of dragons (for non-rainbow opponents), and it worked very well.
Then i havent said nothing about speed compared to poison, and obviously it will take more turns, but you wont have to use abilities and with 18 pillars mana grows faster. I've tried this deck some match and went near to death only against an early lava destryeer PUed after some turn: it was a big problem, and i was thinking about shooting it, but ai prefer to use sundials if poison is damaging it: that's the point: in most cases you'll have benefits from opponents defences.
About boring: if you think playing the poison grinder is fun you have some problem my dear. I found some fun only in rainbow fast decks, but they're not so effective for farming: too much time.
So about your 3 points:

1. slowness: game time will be not long, having only to look at quanta and pass
2. low winning percentage: try this deck and see
3. boring: not more as every grinding deck

please scared, speak if you've something to say, i like comments and to modify decks with suggestions (obviously this is a dumb deck for grinding and there's few to speak about)

I'll make some more test just to have and idea of winning %. Probably fire/light will be more safer, that's why i called it and hardcore choice: not the best, simply the most unbalanced!

turin

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6284#msg6284
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

ok, after some matches with fire decks i decided to return to poison: they're effectively even more boring O.o
Even if fire/light is probably 100% win against ai with rainbow.
I've to admit it: fire grinding in top50 isthe  most boring :(

Scaredgirl

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6285#msg6285
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

Scaredgirl you're boring.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

1. slowness: game time will be not long, having only to look at quanta and pass
2. low winning percentage: try this deck and see
3. boring: not more as every grinding deck
1. Um.. what? Like I said before, it's SLOOOOOOW and ANYONE can confirm this by testing this deck in trainer. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or mentally challenged.
2. I actually tested this deck right before I commented on it (I never comment a deck without testing it first in trainer). So it's not like I pulled facts out of my ass (like some people do).
3. Well this is subjective but anyone who says this deck with zero characters and THREE different cards is not boring, is probably out of his/her mind.


I think the main problem here is that you posted this deck before testing it first. That is the only explanation because anyone who has played more than 10 matches with it, can see that what I said is true.

turin

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6286#msg6286
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

You just repeated what you said before, adding nothing...
And as you can see, i didnt pretended this deck wasnt boring or slow, so what are we arguing about?
About winning %? It's not bad, but not reliable as poison or tending to 100% like fire+light. Depends a lot on random factors (enemy sundials, growing creatures, emphatic bonds..)

top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6287#msg6287
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:01 pm »

Well, I tried the deck in the trainer, and aside from the FFQ and Speed Fire decks that I came up against, it worked moderately well against rainbow...however, it is still very, VERY slow, not as effective as others, and really just isn't worth using as is. =/

turin

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top50 grinding: hardore choice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg6535#msg6535
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:02 pm »

Well, I tried the deck in the trainer, and aside from the FFQ and Speed Fire decks that I came up against, it worked moderately well against rainbow...however, it is still very, VERY slow, not as effective as others, and really just isn't worth using as is. =/
yes i've seen it has nothing better than red+light, not even speed. It's just a pointsess topic. Removable

 

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