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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg402354#msg402354
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2011, 10:02:34 pm »
The difference between RoLs/Condoros/Retros/Skellies and Dragons/Angels is large enough where one of the latter counteracts the others nicely. Also, Morte will heal his own LA'd creatures, making them last longer.
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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg402836#msg402836
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2011, 07:24:24 pm »
I'd like to point out that I don't find Obliterator easy with this deck, I'd say I lost 8 out of 8 games. Lots of unlucky draws, granted, but he does get a number of creatures and his weapon out quickly. Even antimattering two dragons doesn't put you on the safe side with, say, three burrowed shiekers, one out in the open and his pulverizer, because that also means no shields for you. You might end up having to use the combo on a shrieker and he doesn't last long...

In general I wish it was a slightly more reliable deck. So many games could have gone my way if only I had the right cards. Great deck nonetheless, and wins are very satisfying.

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If you're not joking - and the poster beforehand seemed to have troubles as well - let me enlighten you, it's a very straightforward deck, only four different cards. You (nearly) never want to play a liquid shadow without antimattering at the same time otherwise the creature will just heal the opponent. Do antimatter creatures first (see tactics for individual FGs in the thread opener) to heal you. Don't do it with creatures that can grow - like forest spirits - because, say, it's at 8/9 and you antimatter it to -8/9 (healing you for 8 ), each time it grows by +2/+2 you "lose" healing (so it goes to -6/11 and then -4/13 and so on) and even worse, you lose the potential damage of the liquid shadow later on. Sometimes it cannot be avoided just to stay alive and sometimes you'll have to liquid shadow creatures so they lose their special power, like druids (or even otyughs), which will otherwise attack the other creatures you use the combo on.

In general, you'll want to play both antimatter and liquid shadow on the same turn. Which is especially true for creatures with lots of HP like massive dragons, 30 HP, that's theoretically 30 turns of healing and damaging the opponent. The less HP (and the more attacking power), the better it usually is to only antimatter a creature at first. As theonlyrealbeef recommends, this is true for Neptune, for example. He's got arctic dragons (13/5) and crawlers (6/6). If you you the combo too soon and he gets out lots of creatures, you lose the healing power after 5 or 6 turns because the creatures die and your health might be in danger. In this case you can use all your six antimatters first, healing you the whole time without damaging him. And wait with the liquid shadows until you are down to a few cards. Two dragons and four crawlers, for example, would then damage him 50 HP per turn and he's done in four turns. Last time I played Neptune he didn't get out any dragons and so I lost (by deck out, health was fine).

I also added one upgraded card I got at some point - chaos power. It's quite useful to use before the rest of the combo, because it grants a random improvement to both attack and defence which is exactly what you want and it only costs 1 entropy quantum.

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg403969#msg403969
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2011, 10:07:16 am »
I'm wondering if improved vampiric stilleto would go well with this deck..

Early on the 6 hp/turn can buy you quite a bit of time before you have to antimatter on weaker creatures.

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg404090#msg404090
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2011, 04:32:51 pm »
I'm wondering if improved vampiric stilleto would go well with this deck..

Early on the 6 hp/turn can buy you quite a bit of time before you have to antimatter on weaker creatures.
It gets stolen/destroyed more often than it keeps you alive.

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg404096#msg404096
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 04:46:37 pm »
Here's my humble opinion (after maybe 50 "full" games with this deck): I can't see it helping much. You're extremely dependent on both the combo cards, so using a deck with more than 30 cards increases the risk of not getting them (and sadly, even with 30 cards it happens often enough). Against the high attack/HP creatures this deck is best against, the shields are more important than a dagger, and the combo more powerful (sweet if you get the right hand and Akebono, you have creatures that heal you and damage him 20ish HP per turn).  Plus what patchx said, of course. Add one if you like and see if it helps you. Could also consider the unupgraded version because of the quanta cost.

Chaos power - as theonlyrealbeef shows in his upgraded version - is a better addition.

Edit: Yet another loss against Obliterator without even damaging him. I'd upgrade him to medium at least. Like Akebono, you really need a good draw because he gets out his creatures and his weapon really fast, the latter destroys your shield (so don't even bother) or even your pendulums which can also be fatal. So hope for two antimatters early on and then hope he plays dragons and not just shriekers or two antimatters and liquid shadows for those pesky shriekers.

Another edit, another loss against Obliterator. Damnit. Started so well with the combo on a momentumed dragon, but wouldn't draw another antimatter (had 13 pendulums instead...). But wins vs. Akebono (drew an antimatter at the last chance and turned it around), Destiny (also a tough fight), Miracle (who didn't have any miracles) and even Hermes (perfect draw on both sides).

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg406650#msg406650
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2011, 08:38:10 pm »
This deck is VERY hit and miss. When it works, it destroys, but when it misses, and oh does it miss, it fails spectacularily.

The main problem is you deck out too fast.

The second problem is that if you don't deck out, the enemies deck must have strong heavy hitters, it DOES NOT WORK on decks with low HP monsters.

Effectively, it absolutely destroys strong damage and HP decks, but otherwise, you get destroyed.

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg407162#msg407162
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2011, 08:42:15 pm »
It's all covered in the opening post, some gods you have to quit against right away. And against most of them you'll need a little luck. But considering it's unupped, without rares, it's amazing. Tonight I managed to beat Dark Matter twice in a row, Paradox, Incarnate and even Seism. It is right of theonlyrealbeef to recommend skipping Seism, the quicksands make it extremely tough. I never had the quanta to play a shield, HP dropped to 20 real quick and I just got out the cards in time.


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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg409292#msg409292
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2011, 10:24:02 pm »
I think a phase shield would be more useful because dark mantle is not helpful when u only have about 5 hp...

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg409296#msg409296
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2011, 10:27:57 pm »
I think a phase shield would be more useful because dark mantle is not helpful when u only have about 5 hp...
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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg409317#msg409317
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2011, 10:49:54 pm »
I think a phase shield would be more useful because dark mantle is not helpful when u only have about 5 hp...
With what :aether quanta?
I know but Dark mantle is truly useless...

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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg409320#msg409320
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2011, 10:54:31 pm »
I think a phase shield would be more useful because dark mantle is not helpful when u only have about 5 hp...
With what :aether quanta?
I know but Dark mantle is truly useless...
It isn't. Especially in a deck with large healing, it helps you survive the tidbit more needed.
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Re: Unupped fg farmer! Liquid Antimatter 1.28 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17730.msg409331#msg409331
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2011, 11:44:23 pm »
I think a phase shield would be more useful because dark mantle is not helpful when u only have about 5 hp...
With what :aether quanta?
I know but Dark mantle is truly useless...
It isn't. Especially in a deck with large healing, it helps you survive the tidbit more needed.
Fine hows this. Phase Shield is more useful than Dark Mantle.

 

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