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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg113405#msg113405
« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2010, 09:19:16 am »
I love this deck! Thank you very much. I am not as successful with it as my rainbow deck, but the nice thing is that it's quick to tell if the strategy is working. With my rainbow, it's very difficult to predict: sometimes I think I'm winning only to lose in the end with that one or think I'm losing only to draw the perfect card to save me. This one is a bit more consistent and I like it so much better for farming because of this.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg113406#msg113406
« Reply #85 on: July 13, 2010, 09:21:22 am »
... also something about this deck is very nice, psychologically. When I lose with my rainbow deck, it feels so disappointing: I think it's because the rainbow deck relies on very epic combinations of cards and longer games (often employing eternity to avoid decking out) that vary so much depending on the situation. With this one, I just don't mind losing so much because of its consistent nature.

The only time I was disappointed about losing with this deck was against ferox. I had his damage blocked off completely very early during the game but the two dragons were the last two cards in the deck! It was the most awful luck and by then he already had too many emphathic bonds and creatures out: healing over 100 damage per turn.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg113930#msg113930
« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2010, 12:10:10 am »
Quick Question, what is a good replacement for lobotmizers in this deck?
There isn't one, the lobos are 100% utterly necessary.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114096#msg114096
« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2010, 05:35:20 am »
does this work up uppd

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114137#msg114137
« Reply #88 on: July 14, 2010, 07:11:56 am »
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Quote from: ellak96 on July 10, 2010, 02:02:51 PM

    Quick Question, what is a good replacement for lobotmizers in this deck?

There isn't one, the lobos are 100% utterly necessary.
Yeah, lobos are absolutely necessary. You can start playing with only two, but don't even try with less.

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does this work up uppd
It works unupped altough the resoults will be slightly worse.

You absolutely MUST upgrade these :
6x Ray of light

You should really really upgrade these :
3x Lobotomozer
2x Light Dragon

After that, upgrading the Towers and Fractals is about equally important, they work without upgrades, but that would make the deck 1-2 turns slower so you'll take a bit more early losses.

Oh, and the Hopes work better un-upgraded actually.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114232#msg114232
« Reply #89 on: July 14, 2010, 12:16:46 pm »
Well i've been farming T50's for a while trying to get the lobotomizer and i just wanted to ask, Is it necessary to have 3 lobotomizers?? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114318#msg114318
« Reply #90 on: July 14, 2010, 02:45:14 pm »
Well i've been farming T50's for a while trying to get the lobotomizer and i just wanted to ask, Is it necessary to have 3 lobotomizers?? Thanks in advance.
I find lobos fairly easy to obtain from T50, but that's probably just me :)

Yes, they are absolutely vital against some gods, and three ensures that you draw one fairly early.
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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114324#msg114324
« Reply #91 on: July 14, 2010, 02:58:04 pm »
According to the wiki 4 or less Top50's drop it -_-. Well thanks, I'll keep farming with my current rainbow pillarless speed deck :)

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg114443#msg114443
« Reply #92 on: July 14, 2010, 05:53:39 pm »
As mentioned before, I love this deck! It's only my second day using it, but I've won plenty of times with it (over 50 FG kills already according to kong and I'm not even playing that much). It's also the most relaxing one to play against FGs that I've tried.

However, being a software engineer by trade, I wanted to see if I could make a few micro-tweaks to it to improve certain probabilities. Mostly I wanted to see if I could improve the odds of playing RoL/hope and electrocutor early, since while this deck often beats Divine Glory quite easily, e.g. (easiest FG with this deck IMO), there are times when it is too slow and even the easiest gods just deal too much damage before we can get things under control, or we fail to get electrocutor fast enough (Osiris is especially annoying otherwise).  I wanted to decrease the likelihood of these unlucky situations with the easier FGs.

I wrote a computer simulation to simply see how many turns it would take to play certain cards or meet certain criteria. It's a simple console program written in C++ and doesn't take into account what enemies are doing or anything like that, but it does take into account all the dynamics involved with quantums, the creatures you play, the permanents, etc. For instance, here's ray of light:

Code: [Select]
static struct RayOfLight: public Creature
{
    virtual const char* v_name() const
    {
        return "Ray of Light";
    }

    virtual bool v_can_play(const Player* player) const
    {
        return true;
    }

    virtual void v_end_turn(Player* player)
    {
        // adds 1 light at the end of every turn
        player->modify_quantums(Element::light , 1);
    }

} ray_of_light;
Here's fractal:

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static struct Fractal: public Card
{
    virtual const char* v_name() const
    {
        return "Fractal";
    }

    virtual bool v_can_play(const Player* player) const
    {
        // Assume we only fractal RoLs.
        return player->playing_count(&ray_of_light) > 0  // requires an RoL in play
            && player->quantums(Element::aether) >= 8; // requires 8 aether
    }

    virtual void v_play(Player* player)
    {
        int num = hand_size - player->in_hand().size();

        // fill the player's hand with RoL
        for (int j=0; j < num; ++j)
            player->draw_card(&ray_of_light);

        // this is not a permanent so we remove it from the playing field
        player->remove_playing_card(this);
    }

} fractal;
Anyway, I did a simulation of Seravy's current deck. I wanted to see how long it takes to play electrocutor, fractal, and/or hope. Here are the results:

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30 card deck - mark of aether
-- 6 Fractal
-- 4 Hope
-- 6 Ray of Light
-- 9 Aether Tower
-- 3 Electrocutor
-- 2 Light Dragon

50000 games simulated for each condition

condition: use electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 1
-- max number of turns: 22
-- avg number of turns: 3.60072

condition: use fractal and hope
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 21
-- avg number of turns: 5.45066

condition: use fractal, hope, and electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 21
-- avg number of turns: 6.5884
Now here's a variant I tried which I thought had slightly more favorable results.

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30 card deck - mark of aether
-- 6 Ray of Light
-- 10 Aether Tower
-- 4 Fractal
-- 4 Hope
-- 4 Electrocutor
-- 2 Light Dragon

50000 games simulated for each condition

condition: use electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 1
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 2.6256

condition: use fractal and hope
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 5.81976

condition: use fractal, hope, and electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 6.35914
The variant I tried does take 0.37 turns longer on average to use fractal and hope, but is almost a turn faster on average to play electrocutor and is slightly faster when it comes to simulations taking into account how long it takes to play all three: electrocutor, fractal, and hope.

Out of curiosity I also tried switching the mark to light instead. It turned out to be a bad idea:

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30 card deck - mark of light
-- 6 Ray of Light
-- 10 Aether Tower
-- 4 Fractal
-- 4 Hope
-- 4 Electrocutor
-- 2 Light Dragon

50000 games simulated for each condition

condition: use electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 1
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 2.71948

condition: use fractal and hope
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 6.0946

condition: use fractal, hope, and electrocutor
-- min number of turns: 3
-- max number of turns: 20
-- avg number of turns: 6.62174
Anyway, I'll leave it up to you guys to interpret these results, but I'm giving the second version a try. I think it has the best overall chances of having the essential cards (electrocutor, hope, and fractal) played early as possible. Nevertheless, having 2 less fractals might be a problem in the longer games even if it's faster. My simulation isn't sophisticated enough to see the long term effects: it just stops once it has played the right cards. Then again it might still be better because the increased number of aether towers and the 2 less fractals and extra electrocutor might reduce the likelihood of the first couple of fractals being somewhat wasted because your hand is full of cards you can't use or discard.

I also like to add an SoG and improved miracle to the deck to improve my chances of getting elemental mastery, and sometimes miracle saves me when I'm having an unlucky hand where I can't draw hope for a long time or if I need to buy some more time because of momentum or big creatures to improve my hope shield and/or lobotomize more creatures. With the miracle I've managed to beat FGs quite often before even drawing hope. I omitted these from this simulation since I wanted to focus on first optimizing the "pure" deck without shards and miracles which would, of course, add a little bit to the average number of turns for the above criteria.

Note that the variations are slight as these are micro-tweaks to an already awesome deck. All credits go to Seravy for the original idea. Nevertheless, it took me a bit of effort to write this computer simulation and I'd like to try it for some other things, so if anyone has any RoL/hope ideas that are radically different, I'd be happy to run them through the simulator.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg116264#msg116264
« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2010, 07:18:00 pm »
should the Hopes be upgraded?
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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg116350#msg116350
« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2010, 08:58:29 pm »
Some people think so, others dont, so its really up to you. Basically unupped hope costs less so theres a chance you might be able to get it out earlier, however the upped version always blocks 1 more damage than you have ROLs, which really helps once its out, especially if your fighting a boss with a lot of control. So yeah theres positives and negatives to either way.

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Re: Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6546.msg116412#msg116412
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2010, 10:14:22 pm »
Ok thanks
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