Turbo-speed false god farming (statistics added, 5-6 upped cards per hour)

[pikachufan2164]

Would you say that Hope is better upped or not upped in this deck?

I mean, you're going to have so many light units that that "1 + N" isn't much different from "N".

Have you found the extra 1 light cost to play the upgraded Hope to be a non-issue?

Basically I'm wondering whether the non-upped is superior simply because it costs 1 light less.

The unupped version of Hope is superior in RoL/Hope, because it costs 1 less to cast, thus allowing you to get it out earlier. The 1 extra damage reduction that the upgraded version provides is a null factor once you've Fractalled your RoLs once and have 6+ of them out.

[Dwerg]

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[Onizuka]

Gemini isn't a skip anymore (or really, ever was at least when I first started) since it PUs rays.
DM can be easily beaten with an early Sanc, but Decay can still steal them (I can beat Decay often enough).
1st/2nd lobo can usually slow Scorpio down to beat him, but usually not work it.
Neptune can be beaten if you draw healing early and no perma comes up early.

[Falcon4415]

Gemini isn't a skip anymore (or really, ever was at least when I first started) since it PUs rays.
DM can be easily beaten with an early Sanc, but Decay can still steal them (I can beat Decay often enough).
1st/2nd lobo can usually slow Scorpio down to beat him, but usually not work it.
Neptune can be beaten if you draw healing early and no perma comes up early.

Gemini's problem was (and still is) the massive amount of Phase Shields. Nobody wants to spend the time it takes to beat Gemini with such high chances of deckout (or rather, skipping Gemini gets you more than not).

[Axex]

I like playing Ferox.  I find him an easy win.

[Snopel]

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Not too much of a mod, but it works a hella lot better than the OP.
 EDIT: Oh I forgot to mention. Switch half pillars into pendulums. Forgot to do it. ^^;

[ralouf]

Yeah split is really needed vs seism.

7 towers/pend is very very low, you'll rarely have more than 1 in your starting hand haven't you ?
4 shards are a bit too much for me : 3 are enough and maybe even 2


@Axex: yeah you beat him because he drew no shield and "only" 6 feral bond you were pretty lucky

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Why do people Upgrade Hope out of curiousity?

[willng3]

Why do people Upgrade Hope out of curiousity?

More damage reduction.  Helps increase chances of survival in games with slow starts usually.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Why do people Upgrade Hope out of curiousity?

More damage reduction.  Helps increase chances of survival in games with slow starts usually.

I understand that but shouldn't it decrease the chances of survival because of the +1 cost? (many times the Rols reach exactly 7 quanta for me to just put up Hope Shield that saves me on the last possible turn)

[willng3]

Yes and that's the problem:  There are two completely different sides to that coin.  On one hand if you have exactly 7 then upped Hope is a mistake to use.  But how many times does that actually happen?  But then again, how many times does a minus 1 damage reduction come in handy when there's the potential to create a Shield that blocks all of that damage anyways?

You'd have to do an intensive study to be able to tell which is more beneficial, really since they both have their pros and cons.

[Snopel]

@Ralouf1: 7 Works fine for me, but yeah. I never really needed 4 shards. I might try 3 and add a pendulum.
But Sanctuary could help against Chaos Lord/Dream Catcher. Hell, even Decay.

@Willng3: I never plan to upgrade Hope. It's far better unupped. 7 Quanta saved my life many times.